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Old 04-08-2007, 04:41 PM   #1
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Discussion: Neither of the Hardys were ever World Championship material....
Neither Matt nor Jeff Hardy were ever and never will be World Championship material. They're solid mid-carders and a great tag team, but neither of them were ever even close to being in a legitimate main event.

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I agree, although I do think the WWE and fans would have accepted Jeff as main event material for a short time period back in the day.

Not at this point, but I feel in 2002 they had intentions of pushing him and it would have been accepted but thanks to Jeff and time that ship has sailed.
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Old 04-08-2007, 04:45 PM   #3
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If Jeff was a little better on the mic he could be, but that would still be stretching it.
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Matt's fued with Edge is the closest thing to main event singles stardom Matt will ever obtain.
But it's really okay. Both of them have made their mark in wrestling history. As a classic tag team, for the matches they've had, and even for some of the things they've done individually.
There's nothing wrong with their legacy and histories, they've had great careers. I think manytimes fans see performers who don't become top guys or world champions, or household names as failures. I think the Hardys have done fairly well for themselves and accompished more than they ever probably were though to have been able to.
As for Jeff, perhaps it's better that he never got that main event push. Probably would have been fleeting and only tarnished his relationship with Matt and the legacy of the team as opposed to individual agendas.
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I agree, although I do think the WWE and fans would have accepted Jeff as main event material for a short time period back in the day.

Not at this point, but I feel in 2002 they had intentions of pushing him and it would have been accepted but thanks to Jeff and time that ship has sailed.
I think he would have been accepted by the majority, but I don't think he could have carried the title more than a month successfully, and that's being generous. Jeff never seemed like a main eventer in my eyes, and I didn't except him when he had the Ladder match with Taker as on Taker's level.

I always saw him, at best, as on Shawn Michaels' level when he was IC champion. He never evolved enough to be, as people were putting it, "the next Shawn Michaels". He sort of just stopped there.
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One could even make the argument that the collective unit of the Hardy Boys tag team in itself if a top draw and a legendary supserstar. I mean, the prospect of a Hardys oriented TLC can probably draw better than some world champions. It certainly was practically main event in 2000/2001 when it was as hot as the main event scene among fans.
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Aside from Shadow, don't think so. It was just a thought on my mind that could make a decent thread.
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Neither of them was ever IC title material either, really.
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Not to mention the people who pine for a Matt Hardy main event push.
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Referring to Destor and Xero that is.
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The discussion should be, as a tandum draw, where the The Hardys stand next to main eventers, uppermidcard singles stars, and champions over the years.

I think the TLC ladder craze and the Hardy Boys were pretty fuckin huge draws in those years.
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Their comments, not their desire for a Matt Hardy push. I'm gonna stop talking now.
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Neither of them was ever IC title material either, really.
Now that I have to disagree with.
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Neither of them was ever IC title material either, really.
I disagree with that.
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Jeff is as good of an IC champion as they could have right about now, and he was excellent in that role upon his return during the winter.
So is Jeff World title material, absolutely not.
Is he IC material, absolutely perfect IC championship material. IC/Tag division for life for him.
As for Matt, same exact boat. I know everyone likes him and pines for a push, and probably because they feel bad for him. But come on. He's not a world champion and theres nothing wrong with that. He's got a great career where he's at right now.
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Watch this and then say this guy isn't championship material!

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Jeff never seemed like a main eventer in my eyes, and I didn't except him when he had the Ladder match with Taker as on Taker's level.
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This guy isn't championship material.
You could atleast have waited the time of the clip so you actually could have watched it...
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Well, I'm sorry Matt hardy lovers, but in my opinion, I have never seen 'anything' in Matt Hardy. Jeff, on the other hand, I saw as being a good mid-card performer, which is exactly what he's become. I have never seen dollar-signs on Matt Hardy, and I just don't see what the big deal is.

They work best as a tag team, period.
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Matt Hardy could probably pull it off, given he had a new gimmick of sorts and and changed his look. Hes been the same ol Matty Hardy for 4 years. So if heb re-invented himself as a heel then maybe he would have a chance, and im not talkin about his Matt Hardy Version 1.0 trash.
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Watch this and then say this guy isn't championship material!

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I havn't read any of the response, but I'll just throw this out there; Xero is 100% right on this topic.
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Man I miss the hardcore title
That metal sheet in the corner thing looked awesome. The title being on the line '24 hours a day' was cool imo.

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Both of them could be World Champions in the future, they both have it in them, they get good pops. I think Matt especially has a good chance of making it at a World Champion it's just a matter of investing the time into building him into something more then one half of a tag team. I'm not necessarly a huge Matt Hardy mark but he's a solid in ring performer with good reactions from the crowd and slowly (very slowly) developing mic skills.

I don't think anyone, given the right attention grooming and push, is incapable of being a viable main eventer. I'm sure I could come up with a senerio that could get almost anyone over in the main event.

I'm sure both of them could be World Champion, whould either of them be my top choices? No. But seven years ago I wouldn't have thought Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio, Bradshaw, Jamal of 3 Minute Warning and Christian would have ever gotten a chance to be the main event, and in all those cases I was wrong. As long as you're not terrible in the ring and terrible on the mic you can be a World Champion if treated correctly... Hell Bobby Lashley is a main eventer without either of those things.
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But Bobby Lashley sucks as a champion. He's over, I'll admit, but he's a horrible champion. Just because you're over doesn't mean you can handle a world championship.
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Wait, what? Being ablke to make money (one of the affects of being over,) is alll that matters. what are you on about?
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I would be ok with either of them taking a title reign, as long as it were relativley short, under 3 months or so. I think that both of them probably deserve it, Matt more so because he is a better wrestler but both of them would draw an insane amount I belive.
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I like Bobby so fuck you guys.
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I'm a fan of Lashley as well.

But I have to severly doubt Matt's ability to draw, I'm a huge fan of the guys work, but I don't think he connects to much of the audience. Now Jeff has the female audience down pat and would probably be more succeful than his brother, it's a shame Matt can get it done in the ring and Jeff has the majority of the charisma. If only we could talk them into running into each really fast. And the *BAM* one Hardy. One Hardy who has it all.
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Wait, what? Being ablke to make money (one of the affects of being over,) is alll that matters. what are you on about?
He's green and isn't a good champion. That's what I'm on about.

They could put the World title on Funaki. I mean, people bought his shirts and he's over. Would he be a good champion?
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Prove to me Funaki is over (in the way Lashley is,) and Draws (the way Lashley does.) You cant. why? cause he don't. You pulled that out of your ass. Sad thing is, if Funaki was what the people REALLY wanted to see then he would be the right pick for the job. Good thing that will never happen.

Having a look and personality of a champion isn't relevant. Well only as relevant as the audience makes it, which is quite a lot actually. People want certain things from a champion. Size, charm, good looks, what ever. But none are necessary save one thing: Do they want to see you? Will they pay money, time and time again for a chance to see you? If you can get enough people to subscribe to see you then you DESERVE to be champ.
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