Triple H vs Shawn Michaels

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Johnny Vegas Damn, zen did that A-bomb thing that the U.S. a while back... Anyway, as far as JV's take: HHH is good, but i cannot get behind someone who has the PULL to pretty much do what he wants, and has for quite some time. Yes, The One, he had to pay his dues because of the Curtain Call. There are PLENTY of wrestlers that have had to pay due for hardly ANY reason(s) (Jericho, RVD, just to name a few) and still have yet to reach the status HHH has gained. And they were, if not, more over than he was IN HIS PRIME. He is not the only guy in the business to do what he is doing, hell look at Hogan. But what Hogan has done for that company, and wrestling in general, is something HHH only dreams of doing. Hogan may have had some great opponents as well, but he was so over that you HAD to keep the title on him, for fear of fan backlash. HHH was NEVER that over, and tries too hard to get to that point. He needs to realize that we are in a day and age where fans know waaaay more about what goes on behind those curtains that Hogan, Flair, and others had to deal with. That is the ONLY type of excuse i will give him. But we knew about this when Rock, Austin, Foley, and such were around, so he can only use that excuse to a certain extent. HHH fucked up when he started listening to HBK about how to get to the top. He got the good DX rub, that is fine. Austin got his from Hart, Rock got his from....you know what, The Rock was destined. But when you BURY ppl in the process, time after time, after time, after time, you will get NO respect. And that is what happened. Jericho (god, it still makes me mad to this day), RVD, Booker T, Carlito AND Umaga, and more. When you bury ppl to TRY and get yourself to where Flair, Hogan, Rock, Austin, and others were in terms of popularity, then there is a problem. Hogan got away with it, yes. HBK got away with it, yes. But The Rock didn't, Austin didn't, Foley didn't, RVD didn't, Jericho didn't, Eddie didn't, Benoit didn't, Piper didn't. And WHY do these names end up on avatars, conversations, t-shirts, fan stories, etc? Because the fans WANTED them there. If you force-feed, you WILL throw it back up. That is what happened to Goldberg, HHH, and i hate to say it, but they had better do something with Cena or he will be on that list. Point: HHH was/is a good performer, HBK was/is a GREAT performer. Both will be inducted into the hall of fame. But with the amount of pull these guys had, you just can't thrust them up there with the greats. HBK more than likely, but not HHH.

[IC Champion]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight

[The Ayatollah]

Ok so, just as background here, I like Hunter, I like HBK, and I like Piper.

But to claim that Piper is a better heel than Hunter simply because he caused riots and got stabbed is bs.

Is he a better heel? Yes. But not because he was doing it in a time when fewer people knew it was all a work.

[Zen v.W.o.]

Originally Posted by The Ayatollah Ok so, just as background here, I like Hunter, I like HBK, and I like Piper. But to claim that Piper is a better heel than Hunter simply because he caused riots and got stabbed is bs. Is he a better heel? Yes. But not because he was doing it in a time when fewer people knew it was all a work.

ok, then he's a better heel because he made people that didnt matter, fucking matter. He made them look more popular than they were ever before.

Plus he was just so far ahead of his time that people were aghast at times by what he said and did. He was so bad he made others look fucking saintly.

[Theo Dious]

Originally Posted by Zen v.W.o. ok, then he's a better heel because he made people that didnt matter, fucking matter. He made them look more popular than they were ever before.

Yeah, I still remember what he did for Virgil...