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Old 10-17-2007, 09:24 PM   #41
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I still say that's the WWE's conditioning. Sometimes the indie guys over the top with moves, but the WWE has conditioned you to expect big moves only to end the match, not to wear down the opponent until the end.
Why exactly would big moves be used to wear somebody down? Isn't that kind of the point of big moves? Why, exactly, SHOULD a Tombstone or a Pedigree or a stunner be used to wear someone down? Even in the tenuous grasp of psychology wrestling posesses, that's absurd.
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Old 10-18-2007, 03:34 PM   #43
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I still say that's the WWE's conditioning. Sometimes the indie guys over the top with moves, but the WWE has conditioned you to expect big moves only to end the match, not to wear down the opponent until the end.
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Old 10-18-2007, 03:56 PM   #44
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Alienoid had better never complain about Cena's psychology after making that statement.
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Alienoid had better never complain about Cena's psychology after making that statement.
You know, I would mind if they were used as moves to wear their opponet down if the opponet didn't pop right back up. The problem isn't the move, it is the lack of selling. I remeber one joker went for the crossface only for his opponet to get to the ropes and no-sell, also no nagging shoulder for the rest of the match. It either makes the crossface look like crap, or make Benoit look like the only person who knows how to properly lock in said move.
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I still say that's the WWE's conditioning. Sometimes the indie guys over the top with moves, but the WWE has conditioned you to expect big moves only to end the match, not to wear down the opponent until the end.
You have no idea what ring physcology is do you?
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You know, I would mind if they were used as moves to wear their opponet down if the opponet didn't pop right back up. The problem isn't the move, it is the lack of selling. I remeber one joker went for the crossface only for his opponet to get to the ropes and no-sell, also no nagging shoulder for the rest of the match. It either makes the crossface look like crap, or make Benoit look like the only person who knows how to properly lock in said move.
Yeah, that's the part that's reminiscent of Cena's super no-selll that the smarks were all bitchy about.
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You know, I would mind if they were used as moves to wear their opponet down if the opponet didn't pop right back up. The problem isn't the move, it is the lack of selling. I remeber one joker went for the crossface only for his opponet to get to the ropes and no-sell, also no nagging shoulder for the rest of the match. It either makes the crossface look like crap, or make Benoit look like the only person who knows how to properly lock in said move.
Honestly that bothers me too. To be fair most of the roster is getting better at it, but you still have glaring spotfests.
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So far RoH reminds me of highschool football. That isn't ment as an insult. But the production value is that of a really good high a/v class, the wrestling is still mostly offence based just like high school foot ball is all about offence. They are really focusing on scoring but they don't grasp the finer points of defence, running down the clock or things like that. Like wise, RoH seems to be doing spots for the sake of it looks cool for the moment. And by spots, I mean more than high spots, but even the chain wrestling. Their are just a series of non sequitur spots that end in a pinfall or submission.

Now it is possible that the matches get better as so far I've only seen the 3 mention above. And I still plan on watching them all to give it a fair shake. But I believe I've seen enough wrestling to figure out where this is going.
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Some of what I've seen of RoH reminds me of some people who played No Mercy and similar games. You know, the kind of guys who would try and hit nine finishers in a row?

It's not every match, but in many cases, it goes beyond simple spot-festing. Enough to make me roll my eyes, and not because I don't want to give it a fair shake.
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Old 10-19-2007, 03:21 AM   #52
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Some of what I've seen of RoH reminds me of some people who played No Mercy and similar games. You know, the kind of guys who would try and hit nine finishers in a row?
Don't be ridiculous!

You could hit like 3 finishers tops before your power bar ends. That's just crazy.

Unless you were Jericho, cos he had that sweet taunt that pushed his power meter up loads, so you could hit 3 moves, dot he taunt, get back into the special then do it over.

So technically possible, but only if Jericho is in ROH.....um what we talking about again?
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So technically possible, but only if Jericho is in ROH.....um what we talking about again?
OMG, I know you are just kidding, but don't get people talking about how awesome a score Jericho would be for RoH. RoH wouldn't know what to do with Jericho (no like TNA or WWE will do much better but at least they have advertising).
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Yeah, but thanks to RoH psychology, Jericho will hit 15 triple powerbombs in five minutes, lock in the walls of Jericho, and the guy will be totally unfazed.
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Yeah, but thanks to RoH psychology, Jericho will hit 15 triple powerbombs in five minutes, lock in the walls of Jericho, and the guy will be totally unfazed.
Well it all depends, I mean i've had matches that last a solid 45 minutes on No Mercy, if my power gauge was in the red before i started taking all these moves, I reckon my character would be unfazed.

Either that or some kind of cheat code

Of if Ultimate Warrior was in ROH, now that would be fucking interesting
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Ok, back to watching it for a bit. Nigel seems to be working the arm. Lets see if this has any bearing for the rest of the match.
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So far I like what I see from Nigel. He seems to know what he is doing and gets it.
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Why exactly would big moves be used to wear somebody down? Isn't that kind of the point of big moves? Why, exactly, SHOULD a Tombstone or a Pedigree or a stunner be used to wear someone down? Even in the tenuous grasp of psychology wrestling posesses, that's absurd.
Um, because a big move is just a small move only more effective? If I'm looking to work over someone's neck, I would drop them on it, hence a piledriver. Just because the move doesn't finish the match, doesn't mean it isn't given credibility.

I think of it like a fighting game: You have your simple striking moves, which is the WWE style, but then you have your combos and throws which take out a lot more health quicker. But, oh no! They can only be used at the end. That's one style of match. Some guys work better with the feeling out, build to the end style of wrestling. Others actually can tell a better story where they try and put their opponent down hard and fast, and it doesn't always work because it's too early in the match, and they need to try again.
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Alienoid had better never complain about Cena's psychology after making that statement.
Cena has no psychology. He gets his leg worked over, then makes a comeback and no-sells it. I'm not saying no-selling moves is great, I'm saying there is no problem with a guy kicking out of a Death Valley Driver in Ring of Honor because some guy uses it as a finisher in the WWE. Oh wait, he doesn't, because the move is too dangerous. Give me a break.
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You have no idea what ring physcology is do you?
I suppose the Japanese legends which have made money a great living for themselves don't either?

Psychology is when there is a thought and strategy behind the moves being used. Believe it or not, flips and power moves have a place in ring psychology. If you are working over the leg, you occasionally need a big move to enhance the drama. The way you fools act, a figure four must end the match because it's a big move.

A perfect example of leg psychology (not the best, but one that springs to mind, for whatever reason), is Mickie James challenging Trish Stratus for the WWE Women's Title at WrestleMania 22, I think it was. They were fighting on the top rope, and Mickie grabbed Trish's leg, and hung it up over the top rope, and the spot looked sick. It didn't need to end the fucking match.

The WWE's style is tie-up, shoulder block, clothesline, chinlock, chinlock, chinlock, commercial break, chinlock, chinlock. That's not the only way to work a wrestling match. A guy can use a sit-down powerbomb to work the back on an opponent.

It's like writing a book. A Randy Orton match would feature sentences like "The cat sat on the mat. It was happy." A book by someone who can do the high impact style well, though, would feature sentences with a little more creativity and articulation than that.

I never once said that every match should consist of big moves, I'm just saying that it's not necessarily a fault if it does. Wrestling is fake, anyway. I'd rather see guys doing things that I can't.
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I dissagree with what you say Mr. Noid. Mostly because it is half a thought.
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LOL. Do you actually believe this shit?
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I assume you are speaking to 'Noid, Ms. Knight.
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LOL. Do you actually believe this shit?
I believes he believes it, which is sad.
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Also, it didn't even really make sence.
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I believes he believes it, which is sad.
I'm starting to think he's intentionally going for as full of shit as humanly possible, to see how far he can go or something.

No, scratch that. I started thinking that a while ago. It's just recently, he's stepped it up.

I know that verbosity and intelligence have no real bearing on one another, but I can't believe anyone could spout off these term papers and not be taking the piss.
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Yes, and it is extremely boring. If I want to watch a hick and a jap dry hump, I'll find me a jap, dry hump her and tape it so I can watch it later.
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