I'm not one to rip on someone for one mistake, but... *Iraq Spoilers*

[.44 Magdalene]

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 I'm not going to go through the trouble of uploading a video because The Critic asked for one.

So this whole rant is your "No, Critic, I'm all talk and no evidence"?

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 I already chased up existing quotes for him in another thread because he was too fucking lazy to do it.

You chased up quotes that I shot down immediately. Go ahead and ignore that portion of the thread, though. It wasn't that I was lazy, it's that I had already addressed those quotes exactly. Fuck, that's not even relevant to this conversation.

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 Besides, Critic is way off point anyway. A doctor should be able to perform a simple medical procedure. Occasionally they will misdiagnose, or make a human mistake, but that doesn't open the floor to ridiculous demands like "if the procedure is so easy, you do it yourself!"

Nobody accuses small medical procedures of being easy, do they? Sounds a little bit fucking different to me.

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 I still think it is fucking stupid that Jeff missed a fucking Swanton Bomb. The kid should be hitting them in his sleep, and even when he was stoned, he was hitting them off ladders. For that reason, it probably isn't drug-related, but fuck if it doesn't make any sense. That'd be like Val Venis missing a Money Shot. This is coming from his biggest TPWW supporter. If Sean Morley missed a Money Shot completely when he was meant to hit it, I'd be asking what the fuck was wrong with him, too.

Yeah, absolutely atrocious. Wrestlers never miss moves. How appalling, this concept that sometimes guys just fuck up. Ridiculous. Preposterous!

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by The Critic So this whole rant is your "No, Critic, I'm all talk and no evidence"?

Wouldn't it be great if he was just up front and actually said that?

You chased up quotes that I shot down immediately. Go ahead and ignore that portion of the thread, though. It wasn't that I was lazy, it's that I had already addressed those quotes exactly. Fuck, that's not even relevant to this conversation.

Welcome to the club. We have hats now.

Unfortunately, they all say "Prom King."

Nobody accuses small medical procedures of being easy, do they? Sounds a little bit fucking different to me.

Well, let's be fair, there are simple medical procedures.

Of course, to diagnose or operate, you need at least seven years of school and a sheet of paper saying you're qualified.

Not to mention another point, and I think we can all agree on this:

Wrestlin' ain't brain surgery.

What's "simple" in the medical field, and what's simple in wrestling is not comparable. Also, I think the way 'Noid talked about how he could do it (Specifically, the tone) undercuts his point greatly here.

Yeah, absolutely atrocious. Wrestlers never miss moves. How appalling, this concept that sometimes guys just fuck up. Ridiculous. Preposterous!

That's what really gets me the most.

I mean, I've seen wrestlers fuck up hip tosses. Another, more universal truth:

Shit. Fucking. Happens. Now, am I contesting that it's a simple move? No. It's relatively straightforward, but there is ALWAYS a margin of error in wrestling or any other physical activity. I mean, so he fucked up. It was a simple move, but bad things happen. Even a "sure thing" can go south. It shouldn't even be remotely surprising that you can screw up from the top rope.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by The Critic So this whole rant is your "No, Critic, I'm all talk and no evidence"?

No, my point is that your arguments are always: "Find this for me. I'm not going to listen to any of you unless you throw evidence at me." What evidence have you brought to the table? None. Why don't you take on the burden of proof for a change, and stop being such a lazy bastard.

Originally Posted by The Critic You chased up quotes that I shot down immediately. Go ahead and ignore that portion of the thread, though. It wasn't that I was lazy, it's that I had already addressed those quotes exactly. Fuck, that's not even relevant to this conversation.

No, you didn't shoot them down. You think you do, but you asked for people who said that Chris Jericho has a negative effect on the ratings. I showed you two. You were wrong. Even if they did not blame Jericho for the low ratings, there were two people who said RAW's ratings were lower.

And who the fuck are you to decide what is relevant? Sounds like you're dealing with what you want to deal with, to me. How is me doing a Swanton relevant? Answer: It's not. I'm not a professional wrestler performing professional wrestling moves.

Originally Posted by The Critic Nobody accuses small medical procedures of being easy, do they? Sounds a little bit fucking different to me.

Actually, they do. There are very, very simple medical procedures. I'd expect a doctor to be able to do them. I'd expect a wrestler to be able to perform wrestling moves after doing them for ten years.

I have said many times that guys fuck up. I'm usually the first to defend Shelton Benjamin for botching a springboard or something. The whole point of this thread was Vince coming out, Jeff not being able to afford to make mistakes and the result being embarrassing for Jeff just as he is about to get a career match opportunity against Triple H at Armageddon.

Yeah, shit happens. Guys botch hip tosses and arm drags, I've said that about ten times throughout this thread, but jumping forward off the top rope is probably, quite frankly, less excuseable to botch than those moves. I mean, if Jeff Hardy slipped, that's understandable. Slipping would result in Jeff Hardy probably hitting Carlito, though. This doesn't sound like a simple botched spot to me. It sounds like a major miscommunication, ala Matt having to call a spot ten times before Jeff listens to him, or Rico standing on the top rope for fifty seconds waiting for Jeff to remember his cue.

My fear is that this is a guy the WWE are going to turn into a main eventer before he is ready. Yes, he's improved in the ring, but the issue here is more whether his mind is in the right place. This was shades of old Jeff.

[.44 Magdalene]

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 No, my point is that your arguments are always: "Find this for me. I'm not going to listen to any of you unless you throw evidence at me." What evidence have you brought to the table? None. Why don't you take on the burden of proof for a change, and stop being such a lazy bastard.

http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthrea...43#post1930143

I just took on burden of proof in an argument about whether or not I take on burden of proof. Thank you, and triple shut the fuck up.

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 No, you didn't shoot them down. You think you do, but you asked for people who said that Chris Jericho has a negative effect on the ratings. I showed you two. You were wrong. Even if they did not blame Jericho for the low ratings, there were two people who said RAW's ratings were lower.

So they blamed Jericho for low ratings without saying he had a negative effect on ratings?

What.

What the fuck are you trying to say? That they blamed Jericho unintentionally? That they blamed him without realizing it? They didn't blame Jericho for the ratings. Period. Ratings dropped and Jericho didn't stop them, and that's all that was said. Period. You're contradicting yourself in your own fucking paragraphs now. At no point in either of those examples did they state that Jericho negatively affected ratings--BDC has clarified since that he wanted that to happen, but has never said anything about Jericho actually doing it. KK has clarified that you're completely wrong, and just read too much into it. How the fuck much more do you need to be proven wrong before you'll accept that you're wrong? The people you quote have stated that you misinterpreted it, and I myself said you misinterpreted it. Do you need Jesus Christ himself to tell you that you misinterpreted it before you'll accept it? Fuck.

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 And who the fuck are you to decide what is relevant? Sounds like you're dealing with what you want to deal with, to me. How is me doing a Swanton relevant? Answer: It's not. I'm not a professional wrestler performing professional wrestling moves.

Because that argument and this one have nothing to do with each other in terms of actual topic? You being capable of doing a swanton is relevant to you claiming they're easy to do. Quadruple shut the fuck up. The whole "It's so easy that something's wrong if he can't do it, but I can't do it" thing is very stereotypical armchair booker-smark of you. Also, the fact that you're trying to dig up what I did in old arguments and discredit my actual ability to make a point, rather than just sticking to addressing my points, is a rather weak tactic on your part. Again, the fact that you try and drag the person in, rather than just dealing with the argument, makes me think you invest a little too much into forum debates.

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 Actually, they do. There are very, very simple medical procedures. I'd expect a doctor to be able to do them. I'd expect a wrestler to be able to perform wrestling moves after doing them for ten years.

And medical malpractice suits are at their most popular right now. Doctors fuck up even relatively simple medical procedures. I've heard horror stories of X-Rays getting turned around. It happens. It doesn't ruin a doctor's career, it just costs them a little cash. Wrestlers fuck up moves. It happens.

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 I have said many times that guys fuck up. I'm usually the first to defend Shelton Benjamin for botching a springboard or something. The whole point of this thread was Vince coming out, Jeff not being able to afford to make mistakes and the result being embarrassing for Jeff just as he is about to get a career match opportunity against Triple H at Armageddon.

Except that it's mildly debatable whose fault it was, and it's by no means an indication that he's on death watch or in danger of losing his push. Unless you were there, of course. Or the type to completely buy into the word of a couple of dirtsheets.

Oh wait.

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 Yeah, shit happens. Guys botch hip tosses and arm drags, I've said that about ten times throughout this thread, but jumping forward off the top rope is probably, quite frankly, less excuseable to botch than those moves.

If you think a hiptoss is easier to botch than a swanton, you have obviously never learned fuck shit all in terms of professional wrestling. Again, armchair booker uneducated bullshit. I could hiptoss somebody and not actually do anything. I could just fucking stand there. Guys still botch the giving, theoretically just standing there end of the hiptoss. The more you go on about how much you "know" about wrestling moves, the less competent you come off as.

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 I mean, if Jeff Hardy slipped, that's understandable.Slipping would result in Jeff Hardy probably hitting Carlito, though.

Spoken like a true optimist. No, Alienoid, fucking up does not usually lead to winning. Trip, and you'll probably lose the race. Slip off the brake, and the car will probably not stop on its own. Mistakes can and often do lead to failure. Omgomgomg. For every one way to hit a target, there's forty bajillion ways to miss it. If he slipped, well... he slipped. And missed.

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 This doesn't sound like a simple botched spot to me. It sounds like a major miscommunication, ala Matt having to call a spot ten times before Jeff listens to him, or Rico standing on the top rope for fifty seconds waiting for Jeff to remember his cue.

How? Based on what? The fact that slipping couldn't possibly make him miss? It sounds like an elaborate situation because you want it to. It could plausibly be a fucking work for all we know. Very plausibly. It could plausibly be Carlito's fault. Very plausibly.

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 My fear is that this is a guy the WWE are going to turn into a main eventer before he is ready. Yes, he's improved in the ring, but the issue here is more whether his mind is in the right place. This was shades of old Jeff.

Of course. He missed a swanton. We should clearly re-evaluate how ready he is for the main event. Shades of old Jeff. Old stoner Jeff missed swantons all the times.

Oh, wait.