Is Chris Jericho a main event/potential main event player?

[BigDaddyCool]

Originally Posted by Noid Just one way I came up with off the top of my head: At Backlash, Chris Jericho is scheduled to be the Special Guest Referee in the match between Shawn Michaels and Batista. The have a match that I think will be about as good as Batista's battles with The Undertaker, and as they reach a climax, Jericho hits both guys with a steel chair out of nowhere. He then covers Shawn Michaels, and slaps the mat three times, and declares himself the winner. Jericho then hits Michaels and Batista with the steel chair a few more times, and then hits Batista with a chair-assisted Codebreaker, and then puts Michaels in the Walls of Jericho, as HBK lies in a pool of his own blood.

So, the grudge match between HBK and Batista is ended in a no contest and nothing is solved. So far off to a retarded start.

Originally Posted by Noid William Regal has inserted himself into the main event's WWE Title Match, because he is King of the Ring and General Manager, so he can do whatever he wants. Chris Jericho, however, makes an appeal to Vince McMahon, and gets added to the match seeing as he is Intercontinental Champion, is yet to compete tonight, and to make the match even.

We just got Vince of the air, why bring him in? Also...why make it into a 5 way match only to make it into a 6 man? I know this went from a singles to a 3 way to a 4 way all in one night, but that is retarded.

Originally Posted by Noid The first guy eliminated, is JBL, when Jericho kicks Layfield's arm off a Clothesline from Hell attempt, and then hits a Codebreaker for three. The other guys all brawl, with Jericho taking more of a back seat. Chris Jericho and Triple H end up legal, and then Shawn Michaels runs in and attacks Jericho, and the referee calls for the bell and disqualifies Triple H, who is obviously upset (further fuel for that rumoured Triple H heel turn). Jericho and Michaels are at each other's throats, with HBK being escorted to the back, and Jericho trying to get his hands on him, with security surrounding them and protecting both men as they take it to the back. Chris Jericho is eliminated via countout.

Wait, now you made it into a tag match? I was under the impression that it was every man for themselves, not tags and stupid crap like that. Getting past that, how is Jericho getting dqed because Shawn Micheals was getting revenge from earlier in the night turn HHH heel? Also, you are rushing this. Micheals should be getting his revenge on Raw at the very earlier, not the same night at Backlash. Also, why would Jericho chase after Shawn Micheals and get dqed from a title match he moments ago just bitched and moaned about getting into. I'm assuming Jericho has been turned heel during all of this as well. Because Bats and HBK are for the most part face right now. None of this makes any sence, you are fucking retarded.

Originally Posted by Noid Randy Orton, John Cena and William Regal are left in the match. Regal has got Cena in the Regal Stretch, the move that put away three guys during the King of the Ring Tournament, but then Orton gives Regal a Concussion Kick out of nowhere, and Cena crawls into a pin on the King of the Ring. John Cena and Randy Orton do battle, and Cena has Orton up for an FU, but when Cena goes to slam Orton, Randy turns it into an assisted RKO, and he gets the pin and retains the WWE Championship.

Still don't understand why Regal needs to be in this already clusterfuck of a match.

Originally Posted by Noid On RAW, Orton is doing another of his little "I've beaten everybody promos," when William Regal comes out and says that as RAW General Manager, he realises that he needs to be unbiased and fair to everyone, and he congratulates Orton on retaining the WWE Title, beating five other men conclusively. Triple H's music then hits, and he comes out and asks Regal if he truly meant conclusively. The Game is furious that he got eliminated because Shawn Michaels couldn't keep his hands off Jericho. Shawn Michaels joins the party, and apologises for costing Triple H his opportunity at the WWE Title. Chris Jericho them struts out, and complains that he also got screwed out of the WWE Title, because he wasn't pinned and didn't submit either.

HBK and Batista should be looking for Jericho, and Jericho has no right coming out because he inserted himself in at the last minute and then ran off. He is being very heelish right now. Why would he walk into a ring with HBK who has beef with him, and HHH who has never like him standing in the middle of the ring? That is not a smart thing to do, therefore not a heel thing to do.

Originally Posted by Noid William Regal books Triple H vs. Chris Jericho for that night, with the winner being Randy Orton's next opponent for the WWE Championship. If Shawn Michaels gets involved tonight, then he will be suspended, and miss out on the title shot he could potentially earn when he settles his score with Batista.

At this point, HHH hasn't had his singles match with Orton. Why even inject Jericho in this? You are forcing Jericho instead of building Jericho. This is why people hate Cena, and hated Batista because the were put there instead of earning their way to the top.

Originally Posted by Noid Triple H and Jericho work the match you'd expect of them, with Batista coming out on the stage, with his head bandaged up, watching the match. The referee is knocked down, and Jericho hits Triple H with a steel chair. Batista looks like he might head to the ring, but he doesn't, out of respect for Triple H. Jericho is staring at Batista, though, so his vision is near the titantron, and he notices Triple H sneaking up from behind with a sledgehammer, and he manages to evade, disarm Triple H, and hit a Codebreaker, a Lionsault and then put Triple H in the Walls of Jericho for the reluctant submission. Chris Jericho is the #1 Contender for the WWE Championship. Triple H is none too happy with Dave Batista.

HHH would never let Jericho be booked over him, tainted win or not. Also, i don't recall big Dave being barred from the ring or anything like that. He should have attacked Jericho and helped HHH get the win. HHH wouldn't care, he was about to smash Jericho with a sledge hammer anyhow.

Originally Posted by Noid The story here is that Triple H, Batista, Shawn Michaels and Chris Jericho all have issues with each other, but they also have the WWE Champion on their mind. Batista and Shawn Michaels clash at Judgment Day, this time with Triple H as the Special Guest Referee. They assume that all will be fine with Triple H as the ref, and that is true...until Triple H admonishes Batista long enough for HBK to hit the Sweet Chin Music and get the pin...and then he tells Shawn Michaels to "suck it" after winning, and gives him a Pedigree.

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Originally Posted by Noid In the main event, Chris Jericho and Randy Orton and wrestling for the WWE Championship and the WWE Intercontinental Championship. Jericho hits a Codebreaker, followed by a Lionsault, followed by the Walls of Jericho to win the WWE Championship and retain the WWE Intercontinental Championship.

Why would a heel Jericho put his title on the line when he already has the title shot he wanted? That isn't a smart thing to do, therefore not a heel thing to do. Now if Jericho is suppose to be a face through all of this, it is retarded. Also, come to think of it, why are we have a heel v heel match, those never draw.

Originally Posted by Noid RAW sees Chris Jericho celebrate, and Randy Orton wants his rematch. You get them facing each other on RAW, which Jericho wins after he catches a Concussion Kick and turns it into the Walls of Jericho. After the match, William Regal comes out to award Jericho a new belt, which he did promise the winner of Jericho/Orton. He then attacks Jericho, though, and beats down the dual-champion. Regal then says he lied about not abusing his power. This builds ever-so-steadily to Chris Jericho vs. William Regal vs. Randy Orton vs. Triple H vs. Shawn Michaels vs. Batista in an Elimination Chamber. This one with an actual story, and not just thrown together for the purposes of having a big match. In case you were wondering where John Cena is, I sent him to SmackDown!, to freshen things up.

No, this is all crap.

Originally Posted by Noid Another idea is to just have Chris Jericho face CM Punk in a Title vs. Title Shot Match, defeat Punk, and then use the MITB briefcase at an opportune time, and get someone to tap to the Walls. There is also the idea of this Jericho vs. HBK vs. Batista idea staying between them, and becoming a #1 Contender's feud, which Jericho wins.

No, this again just forces Jericho into the title picture and makes him a defacto maineventer, not a real one. There is no build here. You just forced him into a series of matches to become champion with after the fact building of fueds. You ignored all the obvious fueds that could get Jericho into a mainevent position. This is the first time I've ever read one of your storyline ideas in earnest. Glad I never have before. This is also the last time.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool So, the grudge match between HBK and Batista is ended in a no contest and nothing is solved. So far off to a retarded start.

Shawn Michaels and Batista are going to be feuding way past Backlash. A clean fall, especially with Jericho in there serving as referee, is not going to do anything other than set one guy at a disadvantage. A win by Michaels, in particular, would turn the fans further against Big Dave.

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool We just got Vince of the air, why bring him in? Also...why make it into a 5 way match only to make it into a 6 man? I know this went from a singles to a 3 way to a 4 way all in one night, but that is retarded.

We need to get Jericho in there. Sure, we can just have Jericho pop up on the graphic. Vince is a tool for the story, he can be replaced with Shane, Linda, the Board of Directors, or anyone with power. You don't even need to show Vince. Him returning to TV is not an issue here.

Adding two men at once would be a lot to suddenly process. You have to explain how someone gets in there. Plus, this started off as Randy Orton vs. JBL, and then added Triple H, then added Cena, as you said. You're adding one guy at a time. Jericho actually gets into the match because Regal opens the door. He opens the door, because with his return to active competition and his newfound power, he has the audacity to alter the main event like that. The main event is already not as advertised, why not make it even?

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool Wait, now you made it into a tag match? I was under the impression that it was every man for themselves, not tags and stupid crap like that. Getting past that, how is Jericho getting dqed because Shawn Micheals was getting revenge from earlier in the night turn HHH heel? Also, you are rushing this. Micheals should be getting his revenge on Raw at the very earlier, not the same night at Backlash. Also, why would Jericho chase after Shawn Micheals and get dqed from a title match he moments ago just bitched and moaned about getting into. I'm assuming Jericho has been turned heel during all of this as well. Because Bats and HBK are for the most part face right now. None of this makes any sence, you are fucking retarded.

Yeah, I made it a Six-Way Elimination Match where two guys are legal. That way you can avoid the horrible cliches of guys spilling out to the ring conveniently.

Triple H does not turn heel by this very act, moron. Also, Jericho doesn't get DQ'd. Michaels attacks Jericho, and thus Jericho's chances of winning the WWE Title are hindered by outside interference. The rules state that is worthy of a disqualification. Seeing as Triple H and Shawn Michaels are buddies, the referee is further justified in his call of disqualifying the legal man against Jericho, Triple H, for this. Of course, this does not sit well with Triple H, who is none too happy with HBK's inability to stay out of his match. This is part of a build.

I agree that I am rushing this. I originally had written in my post that I was getting Jericho there as quickly as possible. I am definitely rushing it. However, I think it would give the fans watching the event a little satisfaction to see Michaels get revenge from a little earlier. Well, try to get revenge. Jericho doesn't get counted out, on purpose. He is brawling with HBK, and the referee is counting to keep integrity of the contest. Security and other referees are all over Michaels and Jericho, which keeps Jericho from making it back to the ring. It's a little messy, yes, but it is a way to get Jericho out of the match.

I was going to have Jericho make it back to the ring, and then play injured on the outside, or something, and actually take the title. There are a million ways you can take these things. I just listed one. Oh, and Jericho is the Jericho he is now. A face with heel tendencies.

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool Still don't understand why Regal needs to be in this already clusterfuck of a match.

Regal is in the match because he is the RAW General Manager, he has the confidence boost and testosterone flowing from dominating the King of the Ring Tournament. He wants to be WWE Champion.

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool HBK and Batista should be looking for Jericho, and Jericho has no right coming out because he inserted himself in at the last minute and then ran off. He is being very heelish right now. Why would he walk into a ring with HBK who has beef with him, and HHH who has never like him standing in the middle of the ring? That is not a smart thing to do, therefore not a heel thing to do.

I was going to give Jericho more of a face clarity, but it doesn't really make sense given his current character. It's an interesting thing they've got him doing. He's neither a face nor a heel. When he wrestles, he often plays a sympathetic guy, and he is yet to do much too evil on the microphone, except play antagonist to babyfaces. He's in an organic place at the moment, where he is so cocky that he thinks he can get away with whatever he wants.

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool At this point, HHH hasn't had his singles match with Orton. Why even inject Jericho in this? You are forcing Jericho instead of building Jericho. This is why people hate Cena, and hated Batista because the were put there instead of earning their way to the top.

Jericho is in this because he holds a (highly controversial) technical win over Shawn Michaels and Batista. He's in this because he did not take a pin or submit (which in WWE language means undefeated). He has a technical claim to the title, too, as does Triple H. That Triple H is not getting it is more fuel to the fire of his character.

People hate Cena and Batista because they are bland babyfaces. Batista was never forced on the fans. I'd also argue that he isn't hated anywhere but in smark crowds, anyway. He is pushed as Superman, true, but Jericho isn't being pushed as Superman. This whole scenario is just one of the ways to get Jericho back into the main event scene, there's no use complaining about Jericho being added in there.

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool HHH would never let Jericho be booked over him, tainted win or not. Also, i don't recall big Dave being barred from the ring or anything like that. He should have attacked Jericho and helped HHH get the win. HHH wouldn't care, he was about to smash Jericho with a sledge hammer anyhow.

Batista is actually an intelligent character. He is when he is switched on, anyway. He knows Triple H doesn't want anyone in his business. By appearing on the stage, Batista was letting Jericho know he is still going to get him, and was providing a distraction. Jericho managed to use his environment to his advantage, and take the match. This way Batista, who didn't want to get physically involved like Michaels, still manages to cost Triple H the win (in a way), which fuels Triple H's decision to start burning bridges.

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool Why would a heel Jericho put his title on the line when he already has the title shot he wanted? That isn't a smart thing to do, therefore not a heel thing to do. Now if Jericho is suppose to be a face through all of this, it is retarded. Also, come to think of it, why are we have a heel v heel match, those never draw.

Jericho isn't choosing to put his title on the line. William Regal, who is still RAW General Manager, is making a big match for the hell of it. Both titles on the line boost the interest that goes with the match, seeing as Jericho is in his tweener role, and Orton is a heel. This isn't really heel vs. heel, but there was apparently a match once between Pat Patterson & Gerald Brisco and The Mean Street Posse that was actually a bizarrely highly rated TV segment. Heel vs. heel matches can have a place when there is the right story behind them (for example, Kurt Angle vs. Triple H from 2000/2001).

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool No, this is all crap.

No, you are crap. Actually, I respect your opinion, but you don't agree with anything I say even when our points match perfectly, so you carry very little weight with me.

I literally free wrote that, without planning the angle. It was an "as I go" exercise, but I feel that everything is justified, even if things get a bit messy. I think that faces are too goody these days, and that heels are often too cartoony, and that there should be more of a blurred line, but even I would like more clarity with it. However, it stays in touch with all their current characters.

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool No, this again just forces Jericho into the title picture and makes him a defacto maineventer, not a real one. There is no build here. You just forced him into a series of matches to become champion with after the fact building of fueds. You ignored all the obvious fueds that could get Jericho into a mainevent position. This is the first time I've ever read one of your storyline ideas in earnest. Glad I never have before. This is also the last time.

A defacto main eventer? You mean like Randy Orton was forced? Jericho has been a main eventer before, even if you don't concede that he has. Jericho can be welcomed very easily back, and it's not like we're building Nunzio for a World Title run here.

As I said, the build was rushed, and it was freestyled, but there is build there. Every move is, largely, justified. You just don't like it because you're Republican. The King of the Ring and William Regal open the floodgates. I didn't highlight that part of the story, but I thought most people would be able to pick it up. Regal adds himself into a main event, which gives Jericho a hole he is able to squeeze through. From there, Jericho is not defeated in the main event, he makes a case to the GM, and he gets a title shot. He wins it, and from there he wins the belt. It's short, but it's a quick way to get the WWE Title on Jericho. If you want me to build a year-long chase for Jericho, we can do that, too.

Also, BDC, I know you've got that thick skin, so it probably hasn't sunk in yet, but I really do not care what you think about anything. I personally am offended that you'd end up the audience for something I'd written. Demographics and all that.

But thank you for actually taking the time to reply. I'm going to positive rep you for that. Also because you didn't sound like an idiot.