Official GTA IV Thread

[Xero]

The driving is miles ahead of the GTA3 series and I quite enjoy it, but it's still far from perfect. I could name quite a few things wrong with it (the biggest being that it's a bit too slippery) but it more than suffices.

On another topic, I'm getting pretty tired of people (not necessarily here) saying that it should have had this-or-that from the previous games. These people don't realize that GTA4 is just the base game for this generation. It was NEVER meant to have the polish and extras of SA.

If they were using the same engine, yeah, those would be good complaints, but this game, as far as I know, was built from the ground up. Sorry that they didn't spend time on adding multiple-sized Nikos and 1000 different hair styles. They were too busy trying to get the basics worked out with, for example, ragdoll physics (one of the big complaints people had from SA from what I remember) and didn't want to delay the game another year or two to get it to SA standards.

As a standalone game, it's complete. Comparing it to the third game of a different series, at which point they had perfected that gen's hardware, is just silly and unfair. By the end of this gen I'm sure we'll be seeing SA being left in the dust, with the kinks worked out and omitting the mistakes they made in the past (IE: Mandatory eating).

/rant

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Xero Limit 126 The driving is miles ahead of the GTA3 series and I quite enjoy it, but it's still far from perfect. I could name quite a few things wrong with it (the biggest being that it's a bit too slippery) but it more than suffices.

I can name a major one. Cars turn while using the brake. Actually, there's two, since cars don't stop very well in this game, either. I wouldn't mind if I was unable to do an appropriate corner if I was going flatout, but everything moves like weighted by a few extra tons when it comes to stopping. Magically, it's as though someone dropped four tons of weight on my front end.

I dunno. I don't expect complete realism, but it would be nice if I could experience some realism when doing anything other than driving in a straight line or crashing.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Xero Limit 126 On another topic, I'm getting pretty tired of people (not necessarily here) saying that it should have had this-or-that from the previous games. These people don't realize that GTA4 is just the base game for this generation. It was NEVER meant to have the polish and extras of SA. If they were using the same engine, yeah, those would be good complaints, but this game, as far as I know, was built from the ground up. Sorry that they didn't spend time on adding multiple-sized Nikos and 1000 different hair styles. They were too busy trying to get the basics worked out with, for example, ragdoll physics (one of the big complaints people had from SA from what I remember) and didn't want to delay the game another year or two to get it to SA standards. As a standalone game, it's complete. Comparing it to the third game of a different series, at which point they had perfected that gen's hardware, is just silly and unfair. By the end of this gen I'm sure we'll be seeing SA being left in the dust, with the kinks worked out and omitting the mistakes they made in the past (IE: Mandatory eating). /rant

I never buy this. It's ridiculous to say that it's acceptable to have major steps back because they were doing X or Y.

Also, it really cracks me up, because the "Ground up" argument is brought up so often, and almost 100% of the time, it's not true.

[Xero]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight I never buy this. It's ridiculous to say that it's acceptable to have major steps back because they were doing X or Y.

They didn't take major steps back, though. Everything they did was a major step forward, all they really did was leave out some of the more in-depth (and mostly annoying) roleplaying aspects and made the scope of the map smaller than SA. Other than that it's an improvement in every aspect of the game.

I'm talking about the petty compaints like planes, (which obviously wasn't a technical issue), tanks, crazy shit (parachutes for example) and a lot of character customization being left out (the latter of which I do admit they could have done more with, but the extent SA had was just ridiculous).