So what would you rather do- Bring back the Hardcore title or up the IC title?

[Cooler Tom Schuler]

Originally Posted by MCEazy My point was CTS, that choosing between bringing back the hardcore title and trying to up the value of the IC title is a no brainer.

Upon rereading your post I now see that you completely failed at making that point.

Everybody you mentioned there with the exception of harvey, christian and angle had already established themselves as superstars, whereas the likes of Henning, Honkey tonk, HBM, Savage, steamboat, Razor, Hart, bulldog, rock, hhh, angle, jericho and others winning the IC title have been able to shape and progress their careers.

The problem is that the HC title isn't for building to a main event career. It's a lower-midcard/midcard title, used for building up to that upper-midcard/main event career. There are a lot of former IC champs who didn't amount to anything either, that was their peak.

Sure hardcore matches were fun and sometimes awesome during the whole 24/7 era, but WWE needs to bring value back to the IC title to help establish up and comers for eventual main event status.

But it's not mutually exclusive anyway, you'll notice I voted for re-prestiging the IC title. However, the hardcore title certainly served an excellent purpose which, if done well, can definitely be beneficial again.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Cooler Tom Schuler But it's not mutually exclusive anyway, you'll notice I voted for re-prestiging the IC title. However, the hardcore title certainly served an excellent purpose which, if done well, can definitely be beneficial again.

Then you two are in agreement. MCEazy was never saying that the Hardcore Title was fun, or that it was designed to create major stars, he was just saying that between getting back a "fun belt" and making a serious belt actually serious, it should be a no-brainer what the priority should be. You both voted for IC Title, notice?

The Hardcore Title never bothered me when it was around, but I seem to remember it being more disliked than it currently is. Having 22-time Hardcore Champions is ridiculous. Personally, if they did bring the belt back, I think there should be a "Hardcore Title Permit" given out the wrestlers, where they can only win the belt so many times.

For example, Stevie Richards can sell himself as a 20-something time champion. As his only other accomplishment in professional wrestling is holding the ECW Tag Team Championship twice (I think, I'm not too sure), there should be a limit of like five times a referee can count the Hardcore Title win for him.

Someone who has actually won World Championships, like Big Show, could be allowed to win the Hardcore Title upwards of that, as he deserves to have a high championship count.

And yes, it is messy, but the belt is messy one way or another.