I hate the IWC sometimes...

[BigDaddyCool]

Still, no one has been able to explain how the champion losing is title because ORton beat him up before a match makes Punk look good, and why it was a logical choice at all. Also, if CM Punk lost a hard fought match, that would make him look stronger than getting beat up by a bunch of thugs and being defacto stripped of his title.

[Afterlife]

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool Still, no one has been able to explain how the champion losing is title because ORton beat him up before a match makes Punk look good, and why it was a logical choice at all. Also, if CM Punk lost a hard fought match, that would make him look stronger than getting beat up by a bunch of thugs and being defacto stripped of his title.

I don't think anyone is saying the kick in the head made him "look good". They're saying that taking a 4 on 1 beat down was a good excuse to take him out of the match, and that losing his title would have been the bragging rights of JBL, wether he won or not, for calling Punk a fluke. If he had lost, cleanly or otherwise -- even though "cleanly" might be hard to define under the rules of said match -- then his title reign is capped off by the naysayers being right and any momentum he'd had would be DOA.

This way, he has a reason to gun for Orton -- a former champion himself -- and go over him. This will start to give him solid credibility without keeping him wrapped up in the title scene and drying him up on fan energy for the duration. It does make sense, when you really look at the big potential picture.

Am I saying it's a perfect situation? Absolutely not. But I definitely see the value in the process and the justification in rthe booking.

[BigDaddyCool]

I think it is shitty booking. If you need to defend it this much, it is shitty booking.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool Still, no one has been able to explain how the champion losing is title because ORton beat him up before a match makes Punk look good, and why it was a logical choice at all. Also, if CM Punk lost a hard fought match, that would make him look stronger than getting beat up by a bunch of thugs and being defacto stripped of his title.

No, you have been told. You are just too stupid to take it in. Like in the Q&A forum when you asked about clean champions, got about five answers and said "no, that doesn't count."

It makes Punk look good for the following reasons:

1) He never got pinned, submitted, counted out, disqualified, knocked out or bled out to lose the World Heavyweight Title. He lost the title because he was screwed over by influences outside of professional wrestling competition.

2) Fans of CM Punk can maintain that Punk would have kept on surviving as champion if it wasn't for Orton. This intensifies their feud, and saves the comeback taunt of "well, Punk lost the match." He didn't lose the match.

3) If CM Punk had wrestled in a hard fought bout, and lost, he'd look like he has his entire title reign -- he'd look like an afterthought, and as someone that couldn't get it done. He'd be just another guy that won and lost the title. This way, Punk never lost the title.

This is a logical decision because:

1) It puts over Orton's eventual heel stable as a force to be feared. They can make or break the careers of individuals in the WWE. It positions them against a popular face character, and it creates a real interest in seeing them stopped, instead of them just being a bunch of young guys people don't like together.

2) Which feud, all preconceptions aside, should be fought over the World Heavyweight Championship: CM Punk vs. Randy Orton or Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels. If you said Punk vs. Orton, you're living in a fantasy world. Jericho and Michaels are two of the most entertaining performers not only in the world today, but arguably in professional wrestling ever. This decision allowed them to do the switcheroo with the feuds and their priority on RAW.

3) SmackDown! has Triple H as the WWE Champion, and although the plan was to make SmackDown! look stronger, with a new champion like CM Punk at the top, RAW has been looking less and less like the flagship. With the hottest program in the WWE being fought over its World Championship, the brand suddenly regains a lot of its glory and prestige.

4) This creates a long build for CM Punk to eventually regain his World Heavyweight Championship, which will hopefully lead to an epic pay-off that could make the WWE some cash. His flash title win gained interest, but now they get to milk the slow burn.

5) Putting the World Heavyweight Championship on Chris Jericho, a performer who has successfully re-invented himself, and been doing some fantastic work for the company, can help boost morale because it shows the WWE rewards good performances. Giving The Brian Kendrick his due is a similar ideal. It's almost like how WCW used to give bonuses each week to the guys who had the best match.

[BigDaddyCool]

Originally Posted by Noid Yes, you really fucking do. People aren't grasping how sick the beat-down on CM Punk was, and assume he just took a few punches to the head and was out. He got killed with a kick that has killed legends. You also need to understand how the Scramble Match was also presented on the Jericho front, and you need to have seen HBK's promo to fully comprehend the implications of Jericho winning.

The match itself is a horrible idea. All the champions had plenty of singles matches to go through with out a retarded cluster fuck. Then to take one of the champions in the match out at the last second (brutal beating or not) makes a retarded idea worse.

On top of that, who do they replace a beaten up Punk with? A beaten up Jericho. They way there were billing the grudge match between Jericho and HBK, is that niether were going to come out unscathed and be beaten up so bad that neither would probably get out. So what do they do, they take the loser of the match and put him in another match. On paper, this is shitty booking.

Originally Posted by Noid No, you have been told. You are just too stupid to take it in. Like in the Q&A forum when you asked about clean champions, got about five answers and said "no, that doesn't count." It makes Punk look good for the following reasons: 1) He never got pinned, submitted, counted out, disqualified, knocked out or bled out to lose the World Heavyweight Title. He lost the title because he was screwed over by influences outside of professional wrestling competition. 2) Fans of CM Punk can maintain that Punk would have kept on surviving as champion if it wasn't for Orton. This intensifies their feud, and saves the comeback taunt of "well, Punk lost the match." He didn't lose the match. 3) If CM Punk had wrestled in a hard fought bout, and lost, he'd look like he has his entire title reign -- he'd look like an afterthought, and as someone that couldn't get it done. He'd be just another guy that won and lost the title. This way, Punk never lost the title. This is a logical decision because: 1) It puts over Orton's eventual heel stable as a force to be feared. They can make or break the careers of individuals in the WWE. It positions them against a popular face character, and it creates a real interest in seeing them stopped, instead of them just being a bunch of young guys people don't like together. 2) Which feud, all preconceptions aside, should be fought over the World Heavyweight Championship: CM Punk vs. Randy Orton or Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels. If you said Punk vs. Orton, you're living in a fantasy world. Jericho and Michaels are two of the most entertaining performers not only in the world today, but arguably in professional wrestling ever. This decision allowed them to do the switcheroo with the feuds and their priority on RAW. 3) SmackDown! has Triple H as the WWE Champion, and although the plan was to make SmackDown! look stronger, with a new champion like CM Punk at the top, RAW has been looking less and less like the flagship. With the hottest program in the WWE being fought over its World Championship, the brand suddenly regains a lot of its glory and prestige. 4) This creates a long build for CM Punk to eventually regain his World Heavyweight Championship, which will hopefully lead to an epic pay-off that could make the WWE some cash. His flash title win gained interest, but now they get to milk the slow burn. 5) Putting the World Heavyweight Championship on Chris Jericho, a performer who has successfully re-invented himself, and been doing some fantastic work for the company, can help boost morale because it shows the WWE rewards good performances. Giving The Brian Kendrick his due is a similar ideal. It's almost like how WCW used to give bonuses each week to the guys who had the best match.

1. For the last time, losing is nessicary. Having a title taken off you without losing is crappier than losing it in a hard fought match. Plus it is just lazy booking

2. HBK v Jericho doesn't need the title to look good. Orton v Punk by itself lacks sizzle without title in it.

3. That is retarded. This shitty angle doesn't fix the fact that the were poorly booking CM Punk.

4. What happens when they don't do this? CM Punk will be the fluke JBL always said he was, that is what.

5. Jericho does deserve to be champion, but not this way. This kind of booking completely devalues an already weak championship title.