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Old 04-25-2010, 11:43 AM   #1
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Yeah I saw this a while ago, apparently the plane explodes by default if you ever fly over it lol.

Think there is also a hatch in the WoW game universe I saw.
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haha yeah my ex-girlfriend told me she found that during her WoW playing days.
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Old 04-25-2010, 12:52 PM   #4
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I'm probably gonna play just cause 2 just to find the island.
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Old 04-25-2010, 01:39 PM   #5
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Isn't there an actual Lost video game?
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Yes but many people didn't like it.

I only played it over the course of one week, I thought it was okish. The voice overs were terrible.
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I'm sure once Lost is finished, there will be more thought put into things like that.
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I'm curious about what these Lostpedia folk were complaining about. I browsed that forum and didn't see anything particularly negative. I don't doubt fanboys overreacting at all though
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I'm curious about what these Lostpedia folk were complaining about. I browsed that forum and didn't see anything particularly negative. I don't doubt fanboys overreacting at all though
Mostly people picking out every small instance and point out to say "See! They didnt have this planned all along! The writers suck and wrote themselves into a corner. They are just making stuff up as they go along! "

That variety of comments.
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I think people are too absolute about the whole "planned all along" thing. It's possible to have a general idea/theme/direction planned out and not every single detail mapped out.
Obviously they never had every episode and event written in stone. That would be ridiculous. That doesn't mean they're making it up as they go along either. I don't think the majority of people out there have the slightest clue of how a writing or creative process works at all.
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I like to think they started with a general idea of where things were going, then made it up as they went along, and then when they knew when the end was going to be, they solidified their plans.
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They obviously make stuff up as they go along. It's called writing. I don't see why this a bad thing at all. It's expected and I'm actually glad it happens. That comes with the territory of writing a seasonal network TV show. They don't always know what they're going to run into, and things change.
They more than likely plot things season to season. Obviously entire seasons seem to be planned out in advance. Things like the increased role of Linus, or the twists and turns we see from episode to episode are all improvised. It's not like something like Faraday parachuting onto the island, or the boat not being Penny's , etc. had to be set in stone.
That is all just story that gets the show from point A to point B.
It's the bigger picture. The Island, The Smoke Monster, The Others, Richard Alpert. The very big questions and ideas are likely what was planned in advance.

The writers knew The Hatch wasn't going to be the biggest deal in the end, but they made it seem that way because it's good storytelling.

Either way I don't really care. It's fiction. It's all made up as they go along on some level. Whether it's planned word for word, season by season, or episode by episode is really irrelevant to the final product.
The show has set it's own end date and direction, and is ending on it's own terms. I don't see why people are so skeptical that they have a plan.
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They obviously make stuff up as they go along. It's called writing. I don't see why this a bad thing at all. It's expected and I'm actually glad it happens. That comes with the territory of writing a seasonal network TV show. They don't always know what they're going to run into, and things change.
They more than likely plot things season to season. Obviously entire seasons seem to be planned out in advance. Things like the increased role of Linus, or the twists and turns we see from episode to episode are all improvised. It's not like something like Faraday parachuting onto the island, or the boat not being Penny's , etc. had to be set in stone.
That is all just story that gets the show from point A to point B.
It's the bigger picture. The Island, The Smoke Monster, The Others, Richard Alpert. The very big questions and ideas are likely what was planned in advance.

The writers knew The Hatch wasn't going to be the biggest deal in the end, but they made it seem that way because it's good storytelling.

Either way I don't really care. It's fiction. It's all made up as they go along on some level. Whether it's planned word for word, season by season, or episode by episode is really irrelevant to the final product.
The show has set it's own end date and direction, and is ending on it's own terms. I don't see why people are so skeptical that they have a plan.
completely agree At the end of the day, i have been more than entertained for 6 seasons of watching the show, discussing it, and reading about it.
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What?

The whole island is there as an homage.
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I re-watched Ab Aterno, the Alpert episode tonight.

QUESTION-
Man in Black takes the form of Isabella, Richard's wife, as part of his plot to convince him to kill Jacob.
How is this possible? We know MIB can take the form of dead people like Locke and Christian, but their bodies have to be on the island. As far as we know, and common sense dictates, Isabella is not on the island. How can he take her form?
If this is the case, he wouldn't have needed Christian or Locke's bodies brought to the Island which has been specifically stated to be the case.
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Old 04-27-2010, 10:55 PM   #16
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I think they jus tfucked up.

Like Yemis body was there, so it worked for eko...but I honeslty think this was just some plot oversight.
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Everyone he has appeared as has had their body on the island. Locke, Christian, Yemi, Alex Rosseau. Plus he said he needed their bodies in last weeks episode.
So I guess it really was a mistake. The only explanation is if he can somehow briefly imitate the dead, but not longterm. That doesn't make much sense.
Or if Isabella's body was on the ship. That also doesn't make any sense and wasn't stated.

I also just read something about him appearing as Christian years before the crash of flight 815. I never thought of that. Was this when he met the real Locke by the wheel? I hadn't even thought of that before, but was that during time travelling and before Christian's body was ever on the island?
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I also just read something about him appearing as Christian years before the crash of flight 815. I never thought of that. Was this when he met the real Locke by the wheel? I hadn't even thought of that before, but was that during time travelling and before Christian's body was ever on the island?
Maybe the monster is a part of the island and time traveled also? So he had already discovered Christian's body.
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perhaps she wasnt the MIB
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She was though. It wasn't her spirit, Richard can't see spirits. Later in the episode her spirit is standing right next to him and he can't see her.
They also reveal that MIB was taking her form. It was the enhanced version
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I have a bad feeling that the overall theme/message in the final will be something along the lines of "All you need is love/love conquers all"
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That one doesn't really matter to me at all since it's all relative really. I just wonder how/why he was able to replicate Isabella, and based on the rules they have set out it seems to be a fuck up
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did they say in the footnotes of this episode it was for sure the mib taking her body?
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Yes. That much was made obvious in the episode too, but they came out and actually flat out said it in the footnotes
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Jacob even said it wasn't his wife, to Richard.

The only other idea is that they do not have to be on the Island. Ben saw his mother as a child on the Island, and her body was never buried on the Island.
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The extended episodes with the captions arent neccessarily canon. The producers said they dont have time to really look at those, though someone is there to try and make sure everything is correct.

Also, I dont think every dead person that has appeared on the island is the smoke monster. Some are dreams, some are manifestations of another kind/hallucinations.

Christian was traveling back in time I assume because Smokey had already started using him and I assume could keep his form in 1977, so yes, technically Christian appeared on the Island long before the Lost folk ever did.

While we have been told the whispers are dead people on the island, that doesnt mean MiB cant assume other forms of dead people from characters' past. The first time he meets Richard, he is clearly scanning him, only after which Isabella appears.

Same I would think with Dave and Hurley, and Ben with his mother. Go back and watch Man Behind the Curtain. Richard's reaction to young Ben saying he saw his dead mother out in the jungle isnt exactly one of happiness.
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It isn't exactly one of horror either, more interest in the fact and idea he can see her. Like MIB was with Sawyer and Desmond seeing the scruffy child who plagues him.

What is all this stuff about Christian being in 1977? When? where?
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It isn't exactly one of horror either, more interest in the fact and idea he can see her. Like MIB was with Sawyer and Desmond seeing the scruffy child who plagues him.

What is all this stuff about Christian being in 1977? When? where?
Actually its previous to 1977, when Locke has to turn the wheel. He is the one who tells Locke to get up and do it. (Its MiB in Christian form, not actually Christian). Its previous to the well or Orchid station being built.
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Yea it's when they were time jumping.

I suppose MIB can just scan people and assume the form of the dead, but that sort of contradicts MIB's statements that he needed Locke's body brought to the Island so he could assume it.
Maybe the difference is just that he can only physically take the form of people who he has the body of, but can temporarily create the illusion of the dead from people's memories. We don't know if anyone else would have been able to see Isabella when Richard did, or the same for Ben's mother.
Christian is a non issue really. We know he took his form, but he never said that he needed his body to do so. I think that's just assumed since it's the form he took most often other than Locke's, and his body was there too.

There's also the possibility that MIB was Kate's horse, and Hurley Bird. I don't know about that, but I've heard it suggested.

I think the MIB/Jacob episode will shed some more light on exactly what his powers are. It's sort of unclear right now, aside from the hints and obvious connections.
I hope it sheds a little light on this though.
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crap, I was all excited for a new Lost last night. looking foward to it all day. Then @ 8:59pm, it dawned on me that the show is on a 2 week hiatus.

I rewatched the episode though
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crap, I was all excited for a new Lost last night. looking foward to it all day. Then @ 8:59pm, it dawned on me that the show is on a 2 week hiatus.

I rewatched the episode though
Same I ended up just drinking a few beers and playing Bad Company 2 on Xbox with friends.

Tuesday night my wife is out of the house, and usually I enjoy some lost. Made me sad.
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This whole thing about MIB/Christian being around when the Island was time jumping, its not really that significant or a big deal. And yeah, pretty sure the main difference is with Locke's body and having him dead before he could look like him - the difference is that he can use that body in a physical way. That is why when Locke asked Christian for help in the well, Christian said he could not, probably because he cannot actually touch or physcially help Locke.

And to be honest, I don't think MIB is/has been Christian the whole time, it just doesn't fit or seem the case. MIB kinda looked surprised when Jack said he saw his dead father, and that he kinda pulled that 'you needed to find water' reply out of the blue, either it was a good guess or he scanned his mind there and then. I dunno, there are just certain instances which make me think that MIB, Jacob and even The Island have used Christian Sheppard to get things done before. Has everybody fogotten this....this does not seem like the actions, words or intent of the MIB



Also 'Kate's Horse', I used to think that was significant like the Hurley bird also, but its getting to the point where whatever it was, it has no real importance now. I mean neither lead them to do anything or made a significant change to anything. I thought the horse could've just been part of the farm that was stationed at The Flame. There were tons of farm animals there.
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MIB could have used Christian in a physical way, though, since his body was there. I don't see why this would be any different than Locke
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Unless he isn't dead?

The only other possibility is that Christian is not dead, maybe MIB is using that as his A-bomb to pull out on Jack? Maybe he has had Christian this whole time, saved and kept and is actually serving the MIB like one of his 'claimed'.
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Claire smiled when she asked Jack if MIB had told him that it was him pretending to be their father, and it just looked like she had her own private joke going or she knew more.
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Claire smiled when she asked Jack if MIB had told him that it was him pretending to be their father, and it just looked like she had her own private joke going or she knew more.
I don't read too much into how the actors react to things. There seems to be a lot of analysis of the looks on characters faces when things are said.
I understand the subtleties of acting, but I think it's placing stock in something that's not really there.
Most of these actors have no clue what is going on in the next episode
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Well that would mean Christian was risen from the dead, and Locke could do the same.
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Well that would mean Christian was risen from the dead, and Locke could do the same.
Which is exactly what I said will happen. I believe once the realities merge, John Locke will be risen again. Whether we just see the smoke monster fly out of his body, or have his old body emerge from the beach, I dunno. Just think/hope that's how it's gonna go.
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Which is exactly what I said will happen. I believe once the realities merge, John Locke will be risen again. Whether we just see the smoke monster fly out of his body, or have his old body emerge from the beach, I dunno. Just think/hope that's how it's gonna go.
I really hope that Locke doesn't rise from the dead. And by that I mean the body of Locke buried at the beach.

It doesn't make any sense for the "monster to fly out of his body" because that is not his body. MiB hasn't taken over Locke's actual body, he just appears as Locke.

The only way I would buy it is if Locke's consciousness switches across to ALT_Locke's body - as we've seen happen in part to Desmond and Hurley.

The only problem there is that ALT_Locke is in 2004 whilst the on-island action is presumably in 2007(?).
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I really hope that Locke doesn't rise from the dead. And by that I mean the body of Locke buried at the beach.

It doesn't make any sense for the "monster to fly out of his body" because that is not his body. MiB hasn't taken over Locke's actual body, he just appears as Locke.

The only way I would buy it is if Locke's consciousness switches across to ALT_Locke's body - as we've seen happen in part to Desmond and Hurley.

The only problem there is that ALT_Locke is in 2004 whilst the on-island action is presumably in 2007(?).
Yeah ok, it is not Locke's body, but MIB cannot change again, he can only become the smoke monster, right? so in a way, there is actually another body of John Locke walking around, and if like you said, a consciousness is shifted from the real Locke to the body MIB is using, it will more or less shift the smoke monster out and have Locke back in his body. I know, I know, it's not going to happen like that, I'm just thinking with the simplest ideas in mind - my point is - they have a lot to play with in terms of bringing the real Locke back if and hopefully when it happens.
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