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Old 04-19-2009, 05:23 AM   #1
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Old 04-19-2009, 09:16 AM   #2
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Old 04-19-2009, 03:28 PM   #3
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Were any of the fights worth checking out?? I had to work last night but were gonna watch some of the fights today..
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Old 04-19-2009, 03:47 PM   #4
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Not really. Shogan and Liddell maybe.
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Old 04-19-2009, 04:12 PM   #5
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Old 04-19-2009, 05:00 PM   #6
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Old 04-19-2009, 09:21 PM   #7
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I thought Anderson Silva was incredible.
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Old 04-19-2009, 11:49 PM   #8
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How about Thales Leites everyone? Eh? Sooner or later Silva was gonna go to the ground wih him, right? 25th time's the charm.
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Old 04-20-2009, 04:41 AM   #9
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Well, one of the judges scored it 48-47. There is a judge who actually works in this sport who thought Thales won 2 rounds in that fight. Mind you, the last judge scored it 50-46, and i'm pretty sure MMA scoring is 10-9 or less.
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Old 04-20-2009, 12:04 PM   #12
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Well, one of the judges scored it 48-47. There is a judge who actually works in this sport who thought Thales won 2 rounds in that fight.
I had it 48-47 too. I gave Leites rounds 1 and 2. There was absolutely nothing in 1 and the second was definitely his.

But who cares? It all sucked a huge cock anyway.
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Old 04-20-2009, 06:54 PM   #14
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Definitely check out Stout vs. Wiman sometime, if you can, but avoid the main event as if it were a Pat Patterson/Gerald Brisco Evening Gown match.
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Old 04-20-2009, 08:22 PM   #15
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Well, I had 50-45 but there you go. Round 4 was maybe even a 10-8. I said after his last fight that he looks like he wants to get some rounds in to execute his skills and that was shot down. What I saw in that fight was a guy get sloppily taken down once, struck maybe 5 or 6 times in the whole fight, and land virtually everything he threw. If Anderson Silva wants to bitch slap you for 25 minutes, you can either take it like Thales did, or bite back. In which case you will probably get your head knocked off. Feels like he is virtually asking for Hendo or Bisping, or maybe even GSP, whoever it may be he fights next to come out and push the pace, because thats exactly what he wants everybody he fights to do. I would bet anyone here 100 pounds that the next person to look to score a KO on Silva ends up on their back, and Silva has no swelling or cuts.
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Old 04-21-2009, 12:32 AM   #16
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Silva vs. GSP to me would be like a dream fight.
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Old 04-21-2009, 06:39 PM   #17
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Silva doesn't deserve a superfight.

And Bisping or Henderson deserve the next 185lbs shot.
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Old 04-21-2009, 07:06 PM   #18
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I think at this point it's more about the fans generally wanting to see GSP push Silva's shit in.
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Old 04-22-2009, 04:20 PM   #19
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I have no idea why people are hating on Silva as of late.. Sure the Leities fight wasn't to par, and neither was the Cote fight for that matter but both were wins.. Before that Silva hadn't even gone out of the second round since leaving Pride in 2004.. He moved up to 205lbs and DOMINATED a heavy handed James Irving in dramatic fashion, has beaten everyone from Dan Henderson to Rich Franklin to Chris Leban and has destroyed all comers the UFC has fed him.. So what he has a few bad fights?? That's the thing about MMA, is seeing how styles collide and what not.. I am not for GSP moving up, but more agree with Rob that the winner of Bisping/Hendo deserves the next shot..

Anderson Silva is still pound for pound one of the greatest UFC fighters of all time and is no where near the end of his career..
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That last fight sucked because of Leites, pure and simple.
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I would not mind seeing another Silva-Henderson fight. Henderson won the first round of thier original fight and looked good in the second round until he got blasted with a couple shots and then submitted.
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Still haven't watched the Leites one, but I also feel the Cote fight was bad because of Cote, not Silva..
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Talk about defending Anderson Silva! Fuck me it was blatantly his fault. Anderson Silva did nothing for 2 rounds against a guy who is expected to fuckng execute in the stand up. It was over 3 minutes into the first round before he even threw a punch! Funny how this fight was Leites' fault and the last was Cote's fault. Next blame goes to Bisping and Henderson.

Dana White blamed Anderson Silva in public and this was the man who he has pushed as the best fighter in the world for over a year now.
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Gotta agree with Rob here. In truth Leites probably did better than was ever expected of him. He not only won a round against Silva (could be argued two rounds), he also survived all five round/lasted 5 rounds, and didn't appear to be "in trouble" at all (well besides maybe one point on the ground)...Can't overly fault leites...
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Anderson Silva in one fight made me NEVER want to see him fight again. Granted, he might have a wicked fight next time out that turns this around but right now I couldn't give a fuck about seeing him ever again. This guy wants the big fights and the big money and does the EXACT OPPPSITE that you are meant to do to get those things. He can't even talk English on the mic yet. How the fuck is this even possible?
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Who cares if he doesn't speak english?? This isn't pro wrestling where people have to work the mic.. This is fighting and he is a great fighter..
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Anderson Silva in one fight made me NEVER want to see him fight again. Granted, he might have a wicked fight next time out that turns this around but right now I couldn't give a fuck about seeing him ever again. This guy wants the big fights and the big money and does the EXACT OPPPSITE that you are meant to do to get those things. He can't even talk English on the mic yet. How the fuck is this even possible?
lol I was thinking "fair enough" up until I got to the English bit. Learning another language, especially one as complex as English is hard. And whether you can speak a given language or not means fuck all in MMA. You show up, you fight, you leave. If Joe Rogan wants to talk to you, bring a translator.
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Anderson Silva in one fight made me NEVER want to see him fight again. Granted, he might have a wicked fight next time out that turns this around but right now I couldn't give a fuck about seeing him ever again. This guy wants the big fights and the big money and does the EXACT OPPPSITE that you are meant to do to get those things. He can't even talk English on the mic yet. How the fuck is this even possible?
...have we forgotten this ISN'T a work?
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Old 04-24-2009, 03:48 AM   #31
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...have we forgotten this ISN'T a work?
What the hell does being a work have to do with anything?

Anderson Silva speaks English and yet doesn't cut promos in English for fans who support the UFC product. How does he expect to be a money player when he can't even talk to the people he wants to pay money to watch him fight?

You can argue about that all you like but EVERY big boxing, MMA and wrestling match in history has been built on hype with the sole exception of some Oscar De La Hoya fights (and even some of his were super hyped).
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Who give's a fuck if he doesn't speak English? They translate everything he says, and they even translated the cornermen. On top of that, he blaitantly has a girly natural voice. But even so, nothing could matter less.

He didn't get over-zealous against a BJJ world champion. Someone who if you give an arm or a leg, they will take home in their fucking rucksack. He threw strikes, no less that Lietes in the early rounds, and then he threw alot of strikes and beat him up to win the fight.

With the scoring, which you, rob apparently agree with, it looks like he is being scored against the expectations that come with Anderson Silva, not scored against his opposition. He didn't lose a round in that fight. He was always the more aggressive, he neautralised Lietes' ground attempts apart from one takedown and one clinch that were virtually inneffective.

He is the champion. He made a legit threat to him look like a amateur for 25 minutes. It's not all KO's and highlight reels. If it was, there would be little separation from the early days of UFC and I would never have garnered an interest in the sport. Anderson wasn't poor, he was just so good he made it look like he wasn't trying at all. He landed 2 jabs to the thigh, 23 straight kicks to the same knee and a reverse sweep that became a foot-stomp. Against a top 5 MW and BJJ world champion.

Anybody can get lucky and knock anyone out, someone who is truely brilliant, can make them look stupid, and poor and have the upper hand for a full 25 minutes.

I think your expectations and justifiactions you have given about Silva and his language, and how many punches he throws against someone who isn't throwing them either and how he is meant to come out, and have his opponent over his knee, spanking his arse in the first 90 seconds more than a bit neanderthalic to be honest.

I believe the man you are interested in watch, from what I can gather here is Kimbo Slice. He swings, he talks bullshit, he has a WWE appearance and background story that would be as suited.
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Who give's a fuck if he doesn't speak English? They translate everything he says, and they even translated the cornermen.
Actually they don't translate him. They gave very brief overviews of what he says to make him sound better to the public.

And as for the scoring, all three judges gave Leites 10 points in the second round and a lot of neutrals scored the first to him too. Nothing to do with it being against Anderson Silva. Two guys did absolutely fucking nothing in a round and you have to give one of them the round. The way you are using opinionated scoring to boast your arguement is actually quite baffling.

And Kimbo Slice? Fuck off dude. You're chatting proper nonsense now.
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What Rob says is true actually. I speak Portuguese and although it is not crazy what Anderson says himself, it is more negative than what his cornermen choose to say.

I think he would get booed more if they translated what he actually says, and maybe thats why they don't let him loose with the English. I have heard him say things like it does not matter what the crowd think and that they need to have more respect for what is going on.

He is hurting his marketablilty, no doubt, but I don't think he cares, fortunately or unfortunately depending on what side of the argument you are on. Fighting is an art form to him and he will fight how he sees fit according to the opponent. It was a boring fight, but the way he was talking, he won and did it in a smart way without taking risks, he believed the crowd needed to respect the skills he was showing and he said at one point that they didn't understand what was going on.
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Someone gets it.

I don't see what FB and the rest have a problem with the word "entertainment" for like it's a nasty pro wrestling term or something. You pay money to be entertained. Anderson Silva's last two fights have not been entertaining. If he came out and actually fought an attacking fight, they would have been. Simple. People don't buy into boring fights with people who aren't English talkers. Talk all the shit you want about it not mattering but it does.

Anderson Silva is never gonna be the star he thinks he should be because he is too busy thinking of fighting Roy Jones Jnr for some reason and it's never gonna happen. Should be concentrating on his own weight division. And he should be worrying about Michael Bisping, Dan Henderson and Brandon Vera (because if he fights against before his next title defense, it's gonna be at 205lbs against him) and they aren't gonna be scared. They will bring the fight to him.

I'll say this about Matt Hughes, he always tried to fight no matter what even when he was chasing record defenses and what not. So did Tito Ortiz, so did Randy Couture and so did Chuck Liddell. Sometimes you have a boring fight. It doesn't matter if you try to bring excitement to the people though. Fans aren't stupid. They respect effort.
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On a serious note, I just do not understand how you can expect a professional fighter to do more than win and do what is in his best interest to maintain a long career and continue winning. I know there is an entertainment aspect to MMA, but that is not and should not be the main concern for the fighters. They should be concerned about winning fights and staying healthy, and they do not owe the fans anything. Either you enjoy the sport or you don't, just like every other sport in the world.
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Vera would be a good fight for him at 205.. Alot of that fight would be from the clinch..
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