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Old 04-30-2009, 12:36 PM   #1
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Yeah cuz Silva didn't really have to cut weight for the fight. You're going to look at Forrest and Silva next to each other, and Forrest is going to look a lot bigger. So you... get YOUR facts straight.
I have to agree. Weighing 205lbs at the weigh ins and what you weigh going into the fight are two different things.
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Old 04-30-2009, 01:35 PM   #2
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Ok what.


Stop just stop

Anderson Silva is 6'2 with a 77.5 reach

Griffin is 6'3 with a 77.0 reach


Silva weighed in at the Irvin fight as 206.


Lets just stop with the advantage bullshit and get your facts straight thx.
You got those numbers from wikipedia. And height and reach don't always equal size. That's how Randy Couture and Georges St. Pierre who are essentially the same height fight 3 weight classes from one another.
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Ok what.


Stop just stop

Anderson Silva is 6'2 with a 77.5 reach

Griffin is 6'3 with a 77.0 reach


Silva weighed in at the Irvin fight as 206.


Lets just stop with the advantage bullshit and get your facts straight thx.
That's what I was arguing with you prick. The reach is one thing, but size is another.

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Anderson Silva has said in several interviews that his normal walk around weight is 220-230. He said this several times before the Irvin fights


So STFU
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Anderson Silva has said in several interviews that his normal walk around weight is 220-230. He said this several times before the Irvin fights


So STFU
Then he was just talking up himself for the fight so the media would shut up about the size difference or get in the head of his opponent. Theres no way he cuts that much.
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Whoa, are you suggesting this guy seriously cuts 35 to 40 pounds in weight? On a regular basis at that? He may have been 220 for that fight (at 205 pounds), but no way you can keep up that kind of dehydration/rehydration (all the way down to 185) and not destroy your organs (especially your kidneys). Besides, after a while you will stop sweating (a bad sign) anyway.

Furthermore, even if he was cutting that hardcore, how could he possible go down to 182 for the last fight? Those 3 extra pounds would have been murder on his system.
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Old 04-30-2009, 05:56 PM   #7
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i'm not suggesting anything. He's said so himself.
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His walk around weight isn't close to 230lbs.
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Damn right, because he would be dead right now if it was. You can't cut that much weight and then fight world class mixed martial artists. Not fucking doable. You ever watch the Ultimate Fighter? Guys are practically dead after 25 pounds of weight cutting, let alone 40.
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Old 04-30-2009, 06:28 PM   #10
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To be fair, no fighter cuts weight in 48 hours like they do on that show. And even then, how many fighters on that show had to cut more than 15lbs in days. I can only really think of Jason Guida and Bobby Southworth.
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Yeah at most he walks around at 215.
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yah Anderson Silva is a liar and we totally no more about his weight then he does. Yah.
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yah Anderson Silva is a liar and we totally no more about his weight then he does. Yah.
It's not about if he's lying or not, IT'S FUCKING SCIENCE YOU ASSBAG. You can't cut that kind of weight.
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yah Anderson Silva is a liar and we totally no more about his weight then he does. Yah.
All fighters lie or say shit in interviews to fuck with their opponents. Like before a fight the fighter is going to say this is the best ive ever felt blah blah blah..... when theyve really broken a bone or got real sick in camp.

How many fighters predict theyre going to lose?

How many fighters say before a fight things werent right?

Not to mention he would have to be dropping almost 40% of his body weight everytime he had a fight. Call me crazy for thinking he was fibbing just a little bit.
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If he walks around at 230 it's all in his gut mon ami.

I know what I see and Anderson Silva is nowhere close to the size of Forrest Griffin. Griffin could easily fight at heavyweight, he even holds a win over Jeff Monson.
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RPs logic clearly beats out the laws of science.
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What do you know Reavant? You've never had to fight
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Cutting 45 pounds in 3-4 months, twice to three times a year, is not a medical miracle. You retards need to get a fucking clue already. Its nothing to do with science. The guy fights two or 3 times a year and has 3 to 4 month training camps. Its easily done. Plus you're argument is basically, even tho he says he does this, he's wrong. Just stop. You're wrong on all fronts.
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Cutting 45 pounds in 3-4 months, twice to three times a year, is not a medical miracle. You retards need to get a fucking clue already. Its nothing to do with science. The guy fights two or 3 times a year and has 3 to 4 month training camps. Its easily done. Plus you're argument is basically, even tho he says he does this, he's wrong. Just stop. You're wrong on all fronts.
If he is cutting weight for 3-4 months 2 - 3 times at year when does he have time to get it back?
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If he is cutting weight for 3-4 months 2 - 3 times at year when does he have time to get it back?
Game over right there.
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He said that in a prefight interview never in a post fight one. Im not saying hes wrong Im saying hes hyping a fight. Good to hear you believe whatever a person on TV says tho
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But cutting weight and losing weight are completely different. Cutting is typically seen as getting rid of your water weight. Cutting 45 pounds in 3-4 months doesn't make any sense. If he walks around at 230, then he'd have to cut all that weight before a fight. If he actually lost some weight in training and then cut the rest, that would make more sense but then that would trounce your theory that he walks around at 230.
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Gaining 20-30 pounds takes about 25% of the effort it takes to lose 20-30 pounds. Dear God you guys are dumb.
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Gaining 20-30 pounds takes about 25% of the effort it takes to lose 20-30 pounds. Dear God you guys are dumb.


But he has to lose the weight you stupid fucking twit. Losing and gaining 45-50 pounds 3-4 times is absolutely the most ridiculous shit I've ever heard (which he'd have to lose to fight at 185).

Bottom line, a) you're a fucking ass and I don't like you and b) Forrest Griffin unless he chopped off a leg could not compete at 185, he is just wayyyyy too fucking big. He is a thick fucking mug, no two ways about it. Anderson Silva on the other hand can get allllllllllllllllll the way down to 182... who do you think is the bigger man?

Now... fuck off.
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But he has to lose the weight you stupid fucking twit. Losing and gaining 45-50 pounds 3-4 times is absolutely the most ridiculous shit I've ever heard (which he'd have to lose to fight at 185).

Bottom line, a) you're a fucking ass and I don't like you and b) Forrest Griffin unless he chopped off a leg could not compete at 185, he is just wayyyyy too fucking big. He is a thick fucking mug, no two ways about it. Anderson Silva on the other hand can get allllllllllllllllll the way down to 182... who do you think is the bigger man?

Now... fuck off.
Genius number 1.

Didn't you say Forrest had the MUCH bugger reach as well?
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Genius number 1.

Didn't you say Forrest had the MUCH bugger reach as well?
In that case I'd prolly be wrong. But there is no doubt he is that far bigger dude, if you don't think that then I dunno... you're a bigger twit than I thought you were. And I already thought you were a pretty big twit.
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Gaining 20-30 pounds takes about 25% of the effort it takes to lose 20-30 pounds. Dear God you guys are dumb.
yes putting on 20-30 pounds is much easier to put on than to get off, but lets just say that anderson is in tip top shape every fight. When someone is in really good shape, it is hard to put weight on especially if you remain physically active at all. To be able to put on that kind of weight right after a fight hed have to do nothing but sit in one place for about a month and triple his caloric intake with all fats and carbs. He would actually have to work hard to put that type of weight on.
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RP, Ive been cutting weight for almost 10 years of my life, Ive been around people who cut unbelievable amounts of weight my entire life with my time in wrestling and I am telling you that what anderson was saying was all hype for his fight at 205 not to mention you have to factor in that there might be a discrepencey in translating what he was really saying considering when Anderson speaks his translator is seriously censoring what he is actually saying.
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MANCHESTER, England -- I'd read about the eating habits of junior welterweight champion Ricky "The Hitman" Hatton: the Double Whoppers and Indian curries, the french fries and pepperoni pizzas, the Peking duck and KFC. I've heard the nicknames: the Unfitman, Ricky Fatton. But it's hard to believe that Hatton, undefeated in 43 professional bouts, The Ring magazine's 2005 Fighter of the Year, is really, well, a lardo.

So I'm in a stuffy gym in Denton, a suburb of Manchester, England, to see for myself if the tabloid headlines about Hatton's excesses are true.

I'm not alone on this late-October day. More than two dozen fans (including, of all people, the Undertaker, of WWE fame) are gathered ringside as Hatton and trainer Billy "The Preacher" Graham strap up for pad work. They're prepping for the biggest fight of Hatton's life, a Dec. 8 pay-per-view bout with reigning pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather.

They go to work. Hatton stalks and pounces. Thwack! He springs forward and uncorks his trademark left-hook, straight-right combo. Thwackthwack!

"Think Floyd Mayweather can move this fast?" Graham yells to no one in particular.

I don't see a fat man. Sure, a beer belly might lurk beneath the heavy rubber sweat suit. But the fighter I'm watching deftly cuts off the ring, attacks quickly, then zips back before the counter can come. No way he could be the 5-foot-6 fighter who balloons from 140 or 147 to a postfight weight of 185.
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Yeah. this was the point I was thinking of, but didn't really feel like getting involved to be slammed down by you 'in the know types'

Don't you fight at heavyweight Reav? and surely any weight you have gain and cut at anytime was a different ballgame because you are far from having a lean or athletic physique...

Ricky Hatton drops about 40lbs from the first day of his 12 week camp until weigh-ins. In addition to this, If you look at Silva's last 2 years of fights, he had Rich Franklin, Then 4 months later Dan Henderson, who he was noticably larger for than he was for Rich, indicating he cut more than usual, and his next fight was the 205 fight, which if i'm not mistaken, he knew was coming, but the opponent was the only questionable factor. What I'm saying is from the Franklin fight to the Irvin fight, he had 9 or so months to get larger, and he did. Having a big MW in the middle like Hendo made it less obvious it seems, but essentially, RP isn't as wrong as all you geniuses are lambasting him as.
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If Anderson Silva gets up to 230 pounds, it is mostly in his belly. When Forrest Griffin gets up to 230, there is not much fat. Everyone knows Forrest is a gigantic 205er. I don't see what's so fucking hard to understand about this?
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Both of them at 205

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Look how dehydrated/more chiseled forrest is at the weight. Not to say Anderson looks bad or anything, just Forrest is a bohemoth at the weight.
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Don't confuse cutting weight and losing weight. Hatton loses a legit 25lbs before cutting 10lbs-ish so he can go back into the ring hydrated with added weight. A lot of the UFC fighters actually cut up to 20lbs in a week so they can do into the cage with that added weight or as much as it as possible. Anderson Silva isn't coming into the cage at middleweight weighing over 20lbs on the day.
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Don't confuse cutting weight and losing weight. Hatton loses a legit 25lbs before cutting 10lbs-ish so he can go back into the ring hydrated with added weight. A lot of the UFC fighters actually cut up to 20lbs in a week so they can do into the cage with that added weight or as much as it as possible. Anderson Silva isn't coming into the cage at middleweight weighing over 20lbs on the day.
That's what I was trying to say.
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I know all this but what I was saying is Rp got harpooned for suggesting that Anderson cannot gain and lose 40lbs between his last fight and his following one from Forrest, and what I'm saying is he has enough time before the fight to significantly bulk up, reasonably adding 15-20lbs of muscle in this time, and the rest just loose weight. He could then cut weight in the final week before the weigh ins and end up in the fight within 5-10lbs of forrest.

And from there, he could work it all down in the gym in 4 months before the next fight and find himself in the position to be cutting for middleweight.

If he has one fight every 4 months, which he pretty much does, and one in the middle of those 3 is the LHW fight, he essentially has a minimum of 8 months to control his BMI. And he know when his LHW fights are due, its all in his contract.

Nobody questioned that forrest is physically larger. It didn't need any picture or you telling me how lovely and sculpted Forrest is at a weigh in. What you say in the start of the post I quoted was that it is rediculous for a fighter to manipulate his weight by 40lbs either way in 4 months and what I say is you are fucking wrong. And I was equating you being wrong about this to you being wrong about the reach difference.

this discussion is about weight, not about mass and size, will he have a similar muscular build by fight time? No. But that was never the argument.
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I know all this but what I was saying is Rp got harpooned for suggesting that Anderson cannot gain and lose 40lbs between his last fight and his following one from Forrest, and what I'm saying is he has enough time before the fight to significantly bulk up, reasonably adding 15-20lbs of muscle in this time, and the rest just loose weight. He could then cut weight in the final week before the weigh ins and end up in the fight within 5-10lbs of forrest.

And from there, he could work it all down in the gym in 4 months before the next fight and find himself in the position to be cutting for middleweight.

If he has one fight every 4 months, which he pretty much does, and one in the middle of those 3 is the LHW fight, he essentially has a minimum of 8 months to control his BMI. And he know when his LHW fights are due, its all in his contract.

Nobody questioned that forrest is physically larger. It didn't need any picture or you telling me how lovely and sculpted Forrest is at a weigh in. What you say in the start of the post I quoted was that it is rediculous for a fighter to manipulate his weight by 40lbs either way in 4 months and what I say is you are fucking wrong. And I was equating you being wrong about this to you being wrong about the reach difference.

this discussion is about weight, not about mass and size, will he have a similar muscular build by fight time? No. But that was never the argument.
That was my argument. People were saying size wouldn't be a factor. Size is a factor, Forrest is the much larger man, and can bull him around.

Eat my balls.
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Erm, not really they weren't. People were saying Forrest will outweigh Silva by around 30lbs, and that Silva didn't cut down for the Irvin fight and I say that is not correct.

Nobody is actually having this argument you keep making.... Like, you keep trying to prove your point that nobody is at all challenging you to do.

What sort of oxygen-starved brainiac comes to a message board to have discussions purely with himself, and rebut to what people say with a different argument?
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Its not that big of a size difference. Its really not.
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