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Vader 32 52.46%
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Old 11-11-2009, 02:18 AM   #41
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I just voted for Vader, merely for the slip.

Its about lasting memories people.
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Old 11-11-2009, 01:28 PM   #42
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Vader is arguably the best big man ever

All the way
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Old 11-11-2009, 01:49 PM   #43
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Maybe but Muta is one of the best ever, regardless of size
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Old 11-11-2009, 03:31 PM   #44
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Vader literally made a huge Impact everywhere he went. Almost won the WWE title at multiple times. He was more consistent as well.
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Old 11-11-2009, 03:38 PM   #45
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Old 11-11-2009, 03:47 PM   #46
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Old 11-11-2009, 04:21 PM   #47
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I just voted for Vader, merely for the slip.

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Vader literally made a huge Impact everywhere he went. Almost won the WWE title at multiple times. He was more consistent as well.
These two comments reek of stupidity.
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Old 11-11-2009, 07:19 PM   #48
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Muta, without a doubt. One of the best in the world, ever. If we were all as familiar with Japanese wrestling as we are American wrestling, I have no doubt that we would consider Keiji Mutoh to be on the level we think of Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Ric Flair, Chris Jericho, etc.
This is pretty close to my feelings on the matter. This matchup basically comes down to talent vs. exposure. Muta should be a 5th round opponent without question but not enough people here have seen him. As good as Vader was, he's nowhere close to Keiji Mutoh in terms of ability, impact, or legacy.
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Old 11-11-2009, 07:19 PM   #49
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why do people havta break out a real name and say ooh Keiji Mutoh..It's Great Muta...Not Leon White vs. Keiji Mutoh...oh and its VADER TIME!!
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Old 11-11-2009, 07:27 PM   #50
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why do people havta break out a real name and say ooh Keiji Mutoh..It's Great Muta...Not Leon White vs. Keiji Mutoh...oh and its VADER TIME!!
Mutoh has wrestled equally as much under his real name, if not more
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thus the lack of exposure becomes apparent once more
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Old 11-11-2009, 07:35 PM   #52
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why do people havta break out a real name and say ooh Keiji Mutoh..It's Great Muta...Not Leon White vs. Keiji Mutoh...oh and its VADER TIME!!
What a jackass.
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Old 11-11-2009, 09:22 PM   #53
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well I'm sorry i watch AMERICAN wrestling not overseas stuff.
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Old 11-11-2009, 09:29 PM   #54
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well I'm sorry i watch AMERICAN wrestling not overseas stuff.
obviously you never saw Muta in WCW and the NWA....Muta has competed on an international level over the 35 plus years that he's been in the wrestling business. And I hate to burst your bubble but alot of the guys that you call "American" wrestlers have honed their skills in the internation scene and on a worldwide level.

Hulk Hogan was trained by Hiro Matsuda from Japan....guys like Eddie Guerrero, Dean Malenko, Chris Benoit, Owen Hart, Jim Neihardt, Brian Pillman, Perry Saturn, Sting, Ric Flair, Shane Douglas, and many many others of the American wrestlers earned their stripes wrestling in Korea, China, Japan, the UK and all over.... so to say you watch "American" wrestling to me is an assanine statement.

By the way...its just my opinion....take it or leave it....just saying don't limit your spectrum of what you watch or think that you are watching is just American based.
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Old 11-11-2009, 11:41 PM   #55
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Vader is an international wrestling superstar in his own right.
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Old 11-12-2009, 12:39 AM   #56
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Vader is an international wrestling superstar in his own right.
No where near on the level of Mutoh internationally though.
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Old 11-12-2009, 12:40 AM   #57
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No where near on the level of Mutoh internationally though.
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Old 11-12-2009, 12:50 AM   #58
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Muta has great influence in wrestling....proof positive:

Kiyoshi from TNA:



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Old 11-12-2009, 01:02 AM   #59
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Old 11-12-2009, 01:25 AM   #60
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that was a good match.

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Old 11-12-2009, 01:46 AM   #61
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Has The Great Muta ever faced Vader in Japan since Vader did spend some time there in his career ?
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obviously you never saw Muta in WCW and the NWA....Muta has competed on an international level over the 35 plus years that he's been in the wrestling business. And I hate to burst your bubble but alot of the guys that you call "American" wrestlers have honed their skills in the internation scene and on a worldwide level.

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By the way...its just my opinion....take it or leave it....just saying don't limit your spectrum of what you watch or think that you are watching is just American based.

I know he wrestled in WCW watched him with ICP Vampiro and such. So if you compare American careers then I say Vader had more success.
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I know he wrestled in WCW watched him with ICP Vampiro and such. So if you compare American careers then I say Vader had more success.
That is a good point, he did have a better American career. I just wish people would look outside the box.
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Muta never had matches good as Vader/Sting series,Vader/Misawa,Vader/Cactus series. He also had an awesome match with HBK and Ric Flair. Main event Summerslam,Starrcade and other ppvs. Retired Antonio Inoki. Won the WCW heavyweight title,IWGP heavyweight title,UWA heavyweight title when it meant something and ALL JAPAN triple crown.

He had thousands of great matches that it's too hard to list.

Vader made it to the top of the mountain in America and Japan. Muta just did it in Japan.
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If I was a betting man, I'd say you haven't seen many Muta matches.
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Muta never had matches good as Vader/Sting series,Vader/Misawa,Vader/Cactus series. He also had an awesome match with HBK and Ric Flair. Main event Summerslam,Starrcade and other ppvs. Retired Antonio Inoki. Won the WCW heavyweight title,IWGP heavyweight title,UWA heavyweight title when it meant something and ALL JAPAN triple crown.

He had thousands of great matches that it's too hard to list.

Vader made it to the top of the mountain in America and Japan. Muta just did it in Japan.
Vader didn't retire Inoki. Not even close.
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I've a ton of Muta matches, not recently. Muta never been known for his wrestling skills. It was his gimmick that got him over. People never talk about great Muta matches. Not saying the IWC opinion is the holy grail but you just never hear about them. In Muta prime, people talk about junior heavyweights, ALL Japan heavyweights,Chono and Vader.
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I've a ton of Muta matches, not recently. Muta never been known for his wrestling skills. It was his gimmick that got him over. People never talk about great Muta matches. Not saying the IWC opinion is the holy grail but you just never hear about them. In Muta prime, people talk about junior heavyweights, ALL Japan heavyweights,Chono and Vader.
Stop while you're ahead you ignorant fuck.
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He does have a point. We haven't had any Muta polls recently.
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Old 11-12-2009, 08:30 PM   #72
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People never talk about great Muta matches.
June 8th, 2001 Keiji Mutoh vs. Genichiro Tenyru- Wrestling Observer match of the year.
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Old 11-12-2009, 08:53 PM   #73
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Alright, let's stop with this ignorant Muta bashing. USAUSA1, I voted for Vader but want to punch you in the face right now.
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Old 11-12-2009, 10:16 PM   #74
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IT'S STILL VADER TIME!
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Old 11-14-2009, 09:28 PM   #75
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That is a good point, he did have a better American career. I just wish people would look outside the box.
yeah maybe if i had seen some Muta in Japan i may have swayed my vote...Muta was good to watch in WCW but to me Vader was one of a kind.
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Old 11-16-2009, 05:55 PM   #76
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Muta, hands down!!!
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Old 11-18-2009, 11:05 AM   #77
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I was lucky enough to see enough of muta to come to love him but at the same time Vader is just a badass there are no words....hmm I have to go with my main man muta no disrespect to the baby bull though.
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