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Old 11-28-2009, 04:07 PM   #321
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Reports around the web are saying Bud Selig will step down in 2012.
The Wild Card and Inter-League play will probably be the only things positive about his reign once he's done. Still amazed how he managed to make more money than majority of the league's own players and management when he's been responsible for a lot of stupid things MLB did that made little sense ($14.5 million based on last year).
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The Wild Card and Inter-League play will probably be the only things positive about his reign once he's done. Still amazed how he managed to make more money than majority of the league's own players and management when he's been responsible for a lot of stupid things MLB did that made little sense ($14.5 million based on last year).
I wouldn't even say Inter-League play was that good of an idea. Nowadays it pretty much means free wins for the AL teams.
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Old 11-28-2009, 11:03 PM   #323
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It did however mean less bland/predictable schedules since you could go see a NL club vs AL club match instead of the usual AL only or NL only games. Either way, the idea was partially half-assed since it barely lasts more than 10-16 games when the season itself is 162 games.
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Old 11-29-2009, 01:27 AM   #324
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The Wild Card and Inter-League play will probably be the only things positive about his reign once he's done. Still amazed how he managed to make more money than majority of the league's own players and management when he's been responsible for a lot of stupid things MLB did that made little sense ($14.5 million based on last year).
I think that's being a little harsh, considering some of the headaches he's had to deal with as commissioner. I doubt anyone could have come out of the past 10 years or so looking very good, especially considering that as commissioner he's basically a mouthpiece for the league's owners, and the league's owners are a bunch of scumbags that are only really concerned with the bottom line.

Four new teams were added and one was relocated because the owners wanted it to increase revenue. Playoff expansion and interleague play happened because the owners wanted it to increase revenue. Steroid testing reform took so long because the owners were reaping the benefits of juiced up players that put butts in the seats.

Yeah, the man's not the ideal mouthpiece because PR was never his strong suit, but I do think he's gotten the harshest treatment out of any major league commissioner this side of Gary Bettman. Then again, I might be a little biased -- without Selig, there wouldn't be baseball in Milwaukee and the team would've left long ago if he didn't push for the building of Miller Park.
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Yeah it does kind of sound a bit harsh but when you consider who he replaced and who he was before being a commissioner, it sort explains why he is a bit "soft" on most issues. His predecessor basically got run out of the job for being tough with the owners and I think Selig might have been the 1st commissioner that actually was a current owner of a team (at the time).

I believe he basically held onto the job for a bit too long which is why most of the stuff post-2003 has looked bad for him as the head of baseball. He's been the official commissioner since 1998 but ran the office since 1992.
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Mets and Alex Cora are close to a 1-year deal with a vesting option included.
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Old 11-30-2009, 05:34 PM   #328
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Chip Caray's out for TBS baseball!
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Mets and Alex Cora are close to a 1-year deal with a vesting option included.
I'm glad Cora is coming back. He seems like a good clubhouse guy, and truthfully I think every team needs that one bench guy who is a good clubhouse presence. Omar's biggest problem is that far too often, he'll sign multiple guys based on their clubhouse skills.

However, given past offseasons, I'm somewhat leery about guaranteeing $2 million to a bench guy. Even something like that might price the Mets out of getting somebody late in the offseason, fucking Wilpons.
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Chip Caray's out for TBS baseball!
Good fucking riddance. I hope I never have to hear his voice ever again.
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Old 11-30-2009, 07:20 PM   #332
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The Cora deal is now official.

Also, Mets sign 36-year-old C Chris Coste. The deal doesn't guarantee he'll be on the Opening Day roster, but it guarantees him a 40-man roster spot. What the fuck.
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Old 11-30-2009, 11:52 PM   #333
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Mets also add former Reds General Manager Wayne Krivsky to their front office staff.

Better him than Ricciardi. I would have loved to have seen Kevin Towers join the staff, but there is no way they would have done that to Omar.
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Halladay says he will not waive his no-trade clause if he is still on the Blue Jays when he reports to spring training.

Christ...this couldn't be more like the Santana situation if it tried.
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Phillies sign C Brian Schneider to a 2-year deal. lol good luck with that
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Christ...this couldn't be more like the Santana situation if it tried.
Let's see if he gets dealt for a fast outfielder who can't hit and three pitchers who might never be real big league starters. Then it would really be like the Santana deal.
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Yanks decline Arbitration to Matsui, Damon and Pettitte.

I guess we can spin this a few ways.
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Yanks decline Arbitration to Matsui, Damon and Pettitte.

I guess we can spin this a few ways.
I still think we could get Pettite . This may just be a way to free up money for Holliday/Halladay or Lackey. I wonder who the Red Sox will trade for to be a second baseman if they go with the idea of D-Ped being a SS.
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Yanks decline Arbitration to Matsui, Damon and Pettitte.

I guess we can spin this a few ways.
It makes sense not to offer to any of them. The only one you can really make a case for is Andy but I think he's gonna be a Yankee or retire so offering arbitration doesn't really matter. Most likely he's not signing with another team so we wouldn't get a pick out of it.

As for Damon and Matsui, chances are both of them would stand to make something like $15M in arbitration. Doubt the Yankees wanna be stuck with them on $15M deals, even if they are only for one year.
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I saw that Pedroia to SS rumor too. I dunno, I can't really see him being a great SS. He doesn't exactly have a great arm. Maybe he'd be decent at SS if he has the range but his lack of arm will hurt him there.
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Red Sox get some insurance just in case Jason Bay were to leave since they offered arbitration to him. They did the same with Wagner and if both end up leaving, the way the deal is done, Red Sox get a bonus pick in the draft.
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I saw that Pedroia to SS rumor too. I dunno, I can't really see him being a great SS. He doesn't exactly have a great arm. Maybe he'd be decent at SS if he has the range but his lack of arm will hurt him there.
Eckstein doesn't have that great of an arm and he's done well at SS. I think Pedroia has the range to do well enough.
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Christ...this couldn't be more like the Santana situation if it tried.
Smart move by Halladay. Now the Jays can't be picky about which team they trade him to. They can either trade him within the division or get nothing for him at all next winter.
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Smart move by Halladay. Now the Jays can't be picky about which team they trade him to. They can either trade him within the division or get nothing for him at all next winter.

And what rally pleases me is now the Blue Jays may have to lower their asking price for the Yankees. Before they wanted Jesus Montero, in the trade. That kid has some serious potential. He's only 19 years old a lot of Yankee fans consider him the real deal.

Now, I know that we won't get a huge bargain for Halladay. But at least now it could be something like

Hughes/Austin Jackson / +2 minor Leaguers. That's as high as I will go. If they want Joba INSTEAD of Hughes then so be it.

As long as we don't have to trade BOTH Hughes and Joba and Montero isn't a part of the deal I'm all for it.
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How is Montero's defense? I know he can hit but if he's not going to play behind the plate then he could be expendable.
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Billy Wagner agrees to a 1-year, $7 million deal with the Braves, it includes a vesting option for 2011
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And what rally pleases me is now the Blue Jays may have to lower their asking price for the Yankees. Before they wanted Jesus Montero, in the trade. That kid has some serious potential. He's only 19 years old a lot of Yankee fans consider him the real deal.

Now, I know that we won't get a huge bargain for Halladay. But at least now it could be something like

Hughes/Austin Jackson / +2 minor Leaguers. That's as high as I will go. If they want Joba INSTEAD of Hughes then so be it.

As long as we don't have to trade BOTH Hughes and Joba and Montero isn't a part of the deal I'm all for it.
how many "real deals" have we had the past couple of years. I am sick of hearing about how this guy is tearing it up in AAA and then he gets to the majors and he's average/below average. Halladay is proven.

I mean I know they are still young, so I am not going to cast a stone yet, but our young guys haven't really stepped up like everyone said they would. The Yankees win behind the veterans. They've always won behind veteran players. So I am really not sold on the Yankees trying to build for the future with thier minor league system because frankly I think people overate the players in the system a lot.
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Nice pick-up. Now they just gotta build around him.
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Bengie Molina wasn't offered arbitration. Now it's even more likely that the Mets will sign him. I say ugh to that.

He's got decent pop, but he's also 35 years old, his defense isn't particularly good at this point, and worst off...he is in the top 3 in the NL at swinging at the first pitch. This is bad because Jeff Francoeur is also in those top 3. Having two free swingers back to back in the bottom of the lineup could be a nightmare.
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Great job picking up a closer guaranteed to blow up in big games
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how many "real deals" have we had the past couple of years. I am sick of hearing about how this guy is tearing it up in AAA and then he gets to the majors and he's average/below average. Halladay is proven.

I mean I know they are still young, so I am not going to cast a stone yet, but our young guys haven't really stepped up like everyone said they would. The Yankees win behind the veterans. They've always won behind veteran players. So I am really not sold on the Yankees trying to build for the future with thier minor league system because frankly I think people overate the players in the system a lot.
In a mid-season rankings last season he was ranked #3 in all of baseball. He has been tearing up every level he's been at and chances are he'll be starting at AAA at 19-20 years old next year. I'd say he's been the biggest position player "real deal" we've had in a while.
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How is Montero's defense? I know he can hit but if he's not going to play behind the plate then he could be expendable.
His defense is the biggest question. Apparently he has a decent arm and everything but he's pretty slow moving behind the plate. But with the offensive expectations people have placed on him, if he is average behind the plate and lives up to some of those offensive numbers he would be a huge asset.
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how many "real deals" have we had the past couple of years. I am sick of hearing about how this guy is tearing it up in AAA and then he gets to the majors and he's average/below average. Halladay is proven.

I mean I know they are still young, so I am not going to cast a stone yet, but our young guys haven't really stepped up like everyone said they would. The Yankees win behind the veterans. They've always won behind veteran players. So I am really not sold on the Yankees trying to build for the future with thier minor league system because frankly I think people overate the players in the system a lot.
Well I mean at one point all the current veterans were young guys coming up through the system helping us win championships in the 90s.

I think the Yankees need to keep using the minor league system like they've been doing recently. They're still gonna be big in the FA market when they need to but they need to complement those guys with young guys that aren't gonna cost 20M a year. I know we're talking about Halladay here though. I just don't see why the Yankees would or should give up some of their big young guys for him. They didn't for Santana and he was 3 or 4 years younger than Halladay currently is. I mean we really aren't getting the prime years of Roy Halladay if we trade for and extend him. We are gonna be getting him when he is 35,36,37. And while he could possibly still be as great as he is now in his mid to late 30s, chances are he won't be.
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Francesa and Heyman had an interview today, they both predict the Mets will give Molina a 2-year deal for $8 million per season. That would be absolutely ridiculous.

It would be just another instance of the Mets betting against themselves, like with Cora - guarantee the Mets could have had him for $1 million, but of course their first offer is $2 million. Omar's biggest weakness by far is doing a poor job of reading the market and estimating what other teams would be willing to offer to free agents.
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Well I mean at one point all the current veterans were young guys coming up through the system helping us win championships in the 90s.

I think the Yankees need to keep using the minor league system like they've been doing recently. They're still gonna be big in the FA market when they need to but they need to complement those guys with young guys that aren't gonna cost 20M a year. I know we're talking about Halladay here though. I just don't see why the Yankees would or should give up some of their big young guys for him. They didn't for Santana and he was 3 or 4 years younger than Halladay currently is. I mean we really aren't getting the prime years of Roy Halladay if we trade for and extend him. We are gonna be getting him when he is 35,36,37. And while he could possibly still be as great as he is now in his mid to late 30s, chances are he won't be.

I see what you're saying and it makes sense, but when I look back at the Yankees Post season pitching, it always seems like it's the veteran pitchers that get the job done. I could just be seeing things like that for the sake of my argument, but guys like David Cone, David Wells, Andy Pettite, Doc Gooden, Jimmy Key, Mike Mussina, El Duque I just remember being the type of guys you wanted out there.

I would definately start a 36 year old Roy Halladay over a 20 something Joba Chamberlain/Phil Hughes.

But I could be dead wrong on this. Joba could go 20-6 next year and pitch gems in the post season and totally shut me up
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