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Old 12-14-2009, 05:58 PM   #561
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Looking at the trade, Mariners benefited the most since Cliff Lee was a beast in the playoffs and most of the year with the Phillies and has A.L. pitching experience.
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Phillippe Aumont and Michael Taylor going to the Jays.
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So the Phillies give up Lee and Taylor to get Halladay? I dunno, I understand why they did it, because they wanted an ace guaranteed to be there after this year and apparently Halladay is willing to sign an extension and Lee wasn't. But still seems to be a lot to give up and doesn't vastly improve their team this year.
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I don't like it. Even if Roy Halladay wins 30 games and the Cy Young how does that help you beat the Yankees or the Red Sox?
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There has to be more than just that, surely. Neither team parts with any top prospects? Yet they were asking the Mets for REYES? wtf
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I think there's more guys going to Toronto from the Mariners. Those two names were the only ones mentioned so far though.
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Halladay is amazing, don't get me wrong, but he has been amazing in the regular season. Lee has proven himself to be very good in both regular season and post-season play (though only once).

Not sure about this one yet. Yes he has dominated good teams (Yankees, Red Sox), but he hasn't done it when it truly matters. I guess I'll have to wait and see with this one.
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Neither team did give away quality prospects but they did have to give away their #1 starters that are equal or have more value than most set of prospects teams could afford to trade.

If the trade didn't involve Cliff Lee, there would have been more prospects traded away.
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On the other side (one of), the Mariners are looking great now. If they can land Bay, that division will be good again.
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I don't like it. Even if Roy Halladay wins 30 games and the Cy Young how does that help you beat the Yankees or the Red Sox?
Yeah, I just don't see how Halladay could do much more than Lee did in the playoffs last year.
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Neither team did give away quality prospects but they did have to give away their #1 starters that are equal or have more value than most set of prospects teams could afford to trade.

If the trade didn't involve Cliff Lee, there would have been more prospects traded away.
Well I assume the Mariners are giving up more prospects than one for Cliff Lee though.
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On the other side (one of), the Mariners are looking great now. If they can land Bay, that division will be good again.
If the Mariners land Bay they'd have to be the big favorites in the division.

I mean just today the Angels lost their two big pitching targets in Lackey and Halladay, and have already lost Figgins earlier.
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and have already lost Figgins earlier.
to the Mariners, no less
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Now there are rumors that it was Blanton and Happ were traded along with prospects and not Lee.

So who knows now.
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Old 12-14-2009, 06:29 PM   #576
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Now there are rumors that it was Blanton and Happ were traded along with prospects and not Lee.

So who knows now.
I wouldn't be too upset if Blanton and say, Drabek went to Seattle if it means keeping Lee. Though I'm almost certain if Lee isn't a part of the deal, Happ will be.

Thing about Lee is, Seattle probably wouldn't be able to offer him his extension because they want to lock up Felix. So it wouldn't be worth it to just rent Lee for a year.
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Stupid ass deal, but at least Halladay is out of the AL East and not on the Red Sox because we never beat him. Halladay is a better pitcher than Lee but really by how much at this point? Lee's 2 years younger and has proven himself in the playoffs. Halladay is beastly and eats innings and doesn't seem affected by any pressure situations but this doesn't really make the Phillies any better. Mariners are the big winners, King Felix and Cliff Lee pretty much becomes the strongest 1-2 punch in the AL now.
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Old 12-14-2009, 06:34 PM   #579
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Thats....it? Jays gave him away for 3 pitching prospects....are they top notch?

Santana got WAY more value.
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Now there are rumors that it was Blanton and Happ were traded along with prospects and not Lee.

So who knows now.
That would make a lot more fucking sense
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Red Sox got Lackey? Big deal
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Halladay has never been in pressure situations, FakeRazor. He could be phenomenal, but no one knows that at this point, which makes the deal questionable (though the matter of contract extensions helps rationalize it).
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And what, Matsui to the Angels?

shouldn't have let him go. Juan Miranda mehhhhhhh

I think we sign a low risk high reward DH
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Halladay has never been in pressure situations, FakeRazor. He could be phenomenal, but no one knows that at this point, which makes the deal questionable (aside from the matter of contract extensions).
He has pitched his entire career in the AL East and has ridiculous numbers. He never pitches against any beer league softball teams like there are in the NL and he's always matched up with team's number 1s and 2s. I know he hasn't pitched in the playoffs yet, but that to me is a profile of a pitcher who isn't phased by anything.
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So the Phils get Halladay, Mariners get Lee, and the Blue Jays get a boat load of prospects.

Red Sox sign Lackey.

And HazMat is probably going to LAA.

Good and bad day for some people.

Wondering if Lee and Halladay are gonna get extensions.

And I guess it's safe to say Ichiro opened his mouth and told the front office to kick ass this offseason.
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Halladay will (I think that's actually part of him waiving his no-trade clause).

Not so sure on Lee, as I said already.
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An update.

Halladay is ready to sign a 3-year, $60 mil. extension with a 1-2 years in unknown options.

Lee, on the other hand, wants top dollar what he would get as a free agent.

And fuck, Mike Cameron is in "serious talks" with Boston.
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Thats....it? Jays gave him away for 3 pitching prospects....are they top notch?

Santana got WAY more value.
Erik Bedard got more for the Os. Im really surprised the Mariners are going to trade the farm again for a pitcher.
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Not real excited about Cameron going to the Sox. Unless it means they spend their resources on getting Adrian Gonzalez.
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I'm hoping either Holliday or Gonzalez goes to Boston.
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Hopefully it's Holliday. Still leaves a slim chance that the Mets could make a run at A-Gon.

SS Reyes
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3B Wright
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LF Bay
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C Molina
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Biggest transaction of the day is A-Rod designating Kate Hudson for assignment
Wish they did that 2 months ago.
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A-Rod's making a run for Elin Woods. You heard it hear first.
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A-Rod's making a run for Elin Woods. You heard it hear first.
Could you imagine A-Rod showing up to like Fenway Park or wherever with Elin Woods by his side?

It really needs to happen.
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I don't picture A-Rod as a father figure.
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He is like the perfect jackass step-dad.
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Mike Cameron to the Red Sox.

Blue Jays sign Ramon Castro to a 1-year, $1 mil. deal.
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So many fucking names being thrown around in the Halladay deal. Now they're saying Drabek is in. If the Blue Jays wind up with Dominic Brown/Michael Taylor, Brandon Morrow, Kyle Drabek, Carlos Triunfel, and J.A. Happ they may be the ultimate winner in this deal down the line.
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