Questions about Owen after the Montreal Screwjob

Originally Posted by HBPunk David Arquette never injured anyone either so maybe he's the best too? Zach Gowen never injured anyone either. Your second point, yes Owen injured Austin with a pile driver at SummerSlam, Austin asked him not to do it before the match too

Come on. You're not being fair HBPunk. Those guys not only didn't perform as long as Bret, they didn't do it at the level and caliber Bret did. It's not an adequate comparison. Props to you about Austin and Owen though. Why the hell would Owen do the power driver after Austin specifically asked him not too?

On another note, am I the only one who thought the NOD, Jarrett, Blue Blazer run was a waste of his talents? The more I think of him as "The Game" I get excited for what he could have been. Imagine him as a technically sound, cold, calculating, business like wrestler in the ring. He could have pulled it off too. Slicking his hair back and not smiling... Would've been huge.

[HBPunk]

Originally Posted by roach21 Come on. You're not being fair HBPunk. Those guys not only didn't perform as long as Bret, they didn't do it at the level and caliber Bret did. It's not an adequate comparison. Props to you about Austin and Owen though. Why the hell would Owen do the power driver after Austin specifically asked him not too?

Ok emmm maybe instead of a metal detector you should invest in a sarcasm detector?
Also id imagine Owen got very very confused when Austin told him not to use the 'power driver'

Originally Posted by HBPunk Ok emmm maybe instead of a metal detector you should invest in a sarcasm detector? Also id imagine Owen got very very confused when Austin told him not to use the 'power driver'

You're an ass.... but I still love you.

[tjmidnight420]

Originally Posted by roach21 Come on. You're not being fair HBPunk. Those guys not only didn't perform as long as Bret, they didn't do it at the level and caliber Bret did.

It's cool dude, it was a test to see if I was the next TPWW sock or not... I think I passed.

[HBPunk]

Originally Posted by roach21 You're an ass.... but I still love you.

I know baby, i love you too

Owen being world champ is almost as silly as people saying Charlie Haas could be a main event player.

[HBPunk]

Originally Posted by Gertner Owen being world champ is almost as silly as people saying Charlie Haas could be a main event player.

no it isnt, charlie haas was even worse than shelton benjamin on the mic
owen hart was fantastic on the mic and a better wrestler too

next

[Fignuts]

Originally Posted by Gertner Owen being world champ is almost as silly as people saying Charlie Haas could be a main event player.

It's nowhere near that silly, come on.

[tjmidnight420]

Originally Posted by Gertner Owen being world champ is almost as silly as people saying Charlie Haas could be a main event player.

Dude, and I'm the new guy... come on

[Heyman]

Originally Posted by Xero Yeah, and look how that turned out. To specify, I'm referring to his less than stellar run.

I will comment on this.

One MAJOR problem with Benoit's title reign, was the fact that Benoit still played 2nd fiddle to HBK and HHH on RAW despite being the champ.

After Wrestlemania, the HHH-HBK feud INTENSIFIED....to the point where the HHH-HBK feud was the most dominant feud on RAW and was the #1 storyline on RAW.

Benoit's title reign was lackluster but a lot of it had to do with how he was pushed. The WWE could have done a lot more with Benoit if they wanted to....but chose not to.

[Jordan]

How was Owen being the champ far off? Sure he was a mid-card staple for years, but he was recognized as one of the best wrestlers in the business and had multiple title reigns and big feud programs, constantly involved in the main event picture.

Sure he was never given "the ball" but he was at the next level.

After a huge feud with Bret that eventually involved the WHC, and a brilliant program with Steve Austin for the IC title, his amazing feud with HBK in late 95/early 96, a small program with Diesel for the World Title, the second leader of the Hart Foundation vs America storyline, and his feud with DX after the screwjob...

Come on, he was there. If they wanted to give him the push, he would have made it work.

Your talking about a guy who IS better than Bret Hart, both in the ring and in show business. Bret was just older, and bigger, and had a better look for Vince. Owen eventually got the size btw...

When Owen died, I remember everyone clamoring to say he was the best worker around, when nobody at the time was saying that because he was stuck with the Blazer gimmick.
You may not have thought it at the time, but he was just a little push away from being in the echelon of Bret Hart, Steve Austin, and Shawn Michaels.

Owen was the kind of guy Vince used to get people over. And after years of experience and being a great worker, his time would have come. It may not have been in 99... or 2000, or even 2001...

If Owen would have just missed his plane, or gotten sick... Imagine the matches we would have seen. Owen vs Benoit/Angle/Flair/Orton/Cena/Punk/Michael/Taker/Edge/Christian/Hardys/Batista....

It could have been amazing.

Writing all of that and remembering him so much, makes me a little sentimental. Of all the wrestlers who have died since I have been a fan, Owen is the one that hurts the most. I grew up watching Owen, I was supposed to hate him but I couldn't because he was alway right when he would say how much better he was than Bret, and he was fucking hilarious and had a great voice and hilarious accent.

Oh man. RIP Owen. We miss you.

[HBPunk]

Originally Posted by Heyman I will comment on this. One MAJOR problem with Benoit's title reign, was the fact that Benoit still played 2nd fiddle to HBK and HHH on RAW despite being the champ. After Wrestlemania, the HHH-HBK feud INTENSIFIED....to the point where the HHH-HBK feud was the most dominant feud on RAW and was the #1 storyline on RAW. Benoit's title reign was lackluster but a lot of it had to do with how he was pushed. The WWE could have done a lot more with Benoit if they wanted to....but chose not to.

Yeah the fans wanted HHH/HBK and loved it, Benoit had nothing going for him except for the fact that he wasn't imaginary (re. his catchphrase that was so dire it was fucking hilarious, '4 real' written all over his little midgety bastard legs) he was a borefest on roids

[Jeritron]

Originally Posted by Jordan X How was Owen being the champ far off? Sure he was a mid-card staple for years, but he was recognized as one of the best wrestlers in the business and had multiple title reigns and big feud programs, constantly involved in the main event picture. Sure he was never given "the ball" but he was at the next level. After a huge feud with Bret that eventually involved the WHC, and a brilliant program with Steve Austin for the IC title, his amazing feud with HBK in late 95/early 96, a small program with Diesel for the World Title, the second leader of the Hart Foundation vs America storyline, and his feud with DX after the screwjob... Come on, he was there. If they wanted to give him the push, he would have made it work. Your talking about a guy who IS better than Bret Hart, both in the ring and in show business. Bret was just older, and bigger, and had a better look for Vince. Owen eventually got the size btw... When Owen died, I remember everyone clamoring to say he was the best worker around, when nobody at the time was saying that because he was stuck with the Blazer gimmick. You may not have thought it at the time, but he was just a little push away from being in the echelon of Bret Hart, Steve Austin, and Shawn Michaels. Owen was the kind of guy Vince used to get people over. And after years of experience and being a great worker, his time would have come. It may not have been in 99... or 2000, or even 2001... If Owen would have just missed his plane, or gotten sick... Imagine the matches we would have seen. Owen vs Benoit/Angle/Flair/Orton/Cena/Punk/Michael/Taker/Edge/Christian/Hardys/Batista.... It could have been amazing. Writing all of that and remembering him so much, makes me a little sentimental. Of all the wrestlers who have died since I have been a fan, Owen is the one that hurts the most. I grew up watching Owen, I was supposed to hate him but I couldn't because he was alway right when he would say how much better he was than Bret, and he was fucking hilarious and had a great voice and hilarious accent. Oh man. RIP Owen. We miss you.

I would have loved to see an Owen/Jericho match. In fact, it would have been cool to see them as a tag team.
I was thinking about this once, because I had read that Jericho's 3 dreams were to be IC champion, wrestle at a Wrestlemania, and be tag team champions with Owen Hart.

[Loose Cannon]

I haven't read every single post, but like most are saying, wrong place, wrong time for Owen. Unfortunately, he got hot as a babyface right about the same time Austin was ready to become the man. And then he ran into the era of Rock, Foley and HHH.

But yea, I could of definately seen them putting the belt on him had he'd been around in 2001 and on. Maybe even 2000 to feud with an on fire HHH

[Damian Rey]

Originally Posted by HBPunk Yeah the fans wanted HHH/HBK and loved it, Benoit had nothing going for him except for the fact that he wasn't imaginary (re. his catchphrase that was so dire it was fucking hilarious, '4 real' written all over his little midgety bastard legs) he was a borefest on roids

The fans wanted Benoit to win the title, and he was hot during his entire run from winning the Rumble to winning the title at Mania. Fans were not craving HBK/HHH anymore than they were for Benoit. Raw felt that Michaels and Trips was worth more airtime, and thus put that at the forefront of the 2004 programming.

It wasn't due to lack of popularity for Benoit. You mean to tell me people were excited to see a feud that was about to round its second full year over a guy who had just won his first ever world title?

[glanville6]

Yeah, to be honest, I could have also seen Owen at least being in the title picture, maybe even winning it.

If the WWF didn't want Owen, he would have stayed. I'm sure after a few weeks of digesting it, Davey Boy and Neidhart would have stayed, they just didn't want them anymore.

Owen was still pushed...it says a lot about who you are to consistently be on PPV's, and be in competition for the tag belts and IC belt.

And people who say that Austin/Rock/Foley/HHH were the only championship material, lets take a look at how 1999 was also played out...

Big Show held the belt for a while. The Big Bossman feuded with him for the title. Is Bossman better than Owen? I don't think so.

Vince McMahon also held the belt.

Don't forget even Davey Boy Smith, the British Bulldog was even in the 6 pack match at Armageddon... I bet if the Blazer gimmick was done away with, Owen could have easily filled his spot.

Sadly, we'll never know.

I'm not trying to be a dick here- this is concerning Owen's music... on WWE Anthology, they have the theme "Enough is a Enough" and in it, Owen says "I snapped. I was a victim."

How do they release that on the CD? Just kind of tastless, to me, considering the circumstances he died in. With that said, I love the song.

[glanville6]

I should say "If the WWF didn't want Owen around, he would have been gone."

Not he would have stayed.

[HBPunk]

Originally Posted by Damian Rey The fans wanted Benoit to win the title, and he was hot during his entire run from winning the Rumble to winning the title at Mania. Fans were not craving HBK/HHH anymore than they were for Benoit. Raw felt that Michaels and Trips was worth more airtime, and thus put that at the forefront of the 2004 programming. It wasn't due to lack of popularity for Benoit. You mean to tell me people were excited to see a feud that was about to round its second full year over a guy who had just won his first ever world title?

yes cos he sucked hard

[Vastardikai]

*lmao at the people feeding at the troll with the Playgirl-era pic of HBK as his Avatar.*

At least, I THINK that's a Playgirl-era pic of HBK. The fuck if I know.

[Damian Rey]

Originally Posted by Vastardikai *lmao at the people feeding at the troll with the Playgirl-era pic of HBK as his Avatar.* At least, I THINK that's a Playgirl-era pic of HBK. The fuck if I know.

You know what, Kai? You're right.

[HBPunk]

Originally Posted by Vastardikai *lmao at the people feeding at the troll with the Playgirl-era pic of HBK as his Avatar.* At least, I THINK that's a Playgirl-era pic of HBK. The fuck if I know.

im a troll cos i dont like chris 'murdering 4 real' benoit?? wow, the IWC is mean

[HBPunk]

and yup thats good ol HBK looking damn good

[HBPunk]

you 'lmao' at my pic, like i accidently put it up right? and now i must be gay ya? oh dear if only people had a sense of humour, poor me to be the only one not cursed with lance storm disease

[Vastardikai]

I am gonna do what I WASN'T wanting to do, only to make you feel better. You can thank me later.

1. You're a Troll and have been one for nearly 1,000 posts.
2. On your little Benoit hissy fit. It's one thing to hate what he did. Hell, I feel for Nancy's family. It's ANOTHER thing entirely to retcon your disdain for his final acts into your opinion of his entire career. If that's not what you're doing, fine. However, that's how it's coming across. You can separate the art from the person. I think John Wayne Gacy is a good artist. Doesn't mean he wasn't a serial killer.
3. I KNOW you selected that Avatar for a reason. Hell, half of my post was a joke about how I recognized the Avatar. I was implying simply that you were a troll, the Avatar was proof that you were a troll. Anything beyond that is something I don't give a shit about.
4. If you weren't so busy trolling it up, you would have realized the insult wasn't directed at the troll himself. It was directed at the ones feeding said troll. Get over yourself.

[HBPunk]

Originally Posted by Vastardikai I am gonna do what I WASN'T wanting to do, only to make you feel better. You can thank me later. 1. You're a Troll and have been one for nearly 1,000 posts. 2. On your little Benoit hissy fit. It's one thing to hate what he did. Hell, I feel for Nancy's family. It's ANOTHER thing entirely to retcon your disdain for his final acts into your opinion of his entire career. If that's not what you're doing, fine. However, that's how it's coming across. You can separate the art from the person. I think John Wayne Gacy is a good artist. Doesn't mean he wasn't a serial killer. 3. I KNOW you selected that Avatar for a reason. Hell, half of my post was a joke about how I recognized the Avatar. I was implying simply that you were a troll, the Avatar was proof that you were a troll. Anything beyond that is something I don't give a shit about. 4. If you weren't so busy trolling it up, you would have realized the insult wasn't directed at the troll himself. It was directed at the ones feeding said troll. Get over yourself.

will you marry me?
(trolls live under a bridge, they cant use the internet silly boy)

[Jordan]

Can't you guys settle this in a thread that doesn't have to do with Owen Hart? You know, PM, email, casual... whatever. I am not one to usually try to tell people what to do, but have some respect.

[Vastardikai]

I had nothing else to add. Oh yeah, I do...

"You may have two Titles, but I have two Slammies! Because I'm a Winner! WOOOO!"

[DLVH84]

Screw Triple H...Owen Hart is THE REAL GAME!!!

I grew up watching Owen in Stampede Wrestling when it was shown in Germany, his brief stint in WCW in 1991, and in the WWE. I also got into watching his matches in Japan and Mexico. I have to say he was the total package, and when I mean "total package," I mean he has technique, power, speed, agility, and pride. When he died, it broke my heart. If he had stayed alive, he would've been a World Heavyweight Champion.

[Sixx]

He'd kick a leg out of someone's leg, if he didn't die.

[The MAC]

did owen ever appear as the game or cut a promo. i remember something about it but can't be sure if im remembering correctly.

[The MAC]