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Old 04-17-2010, 05:22 PM   #81
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are stuntmen governed by a set of rules or customs?
Do you mean actual rules, or the pretend rules WWE sometimes has in their regular matches? Or do you mean the rules for cage matches, which is all real btw. There's also the casket match rules too, the "Kiss my ass" matches, the Iron Man matches, the "your bitch becomes my sex slave for 30 days/nights" matches and a whole lot more.

Those are all real too btw.
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Old 04-17-2010, 06:01 PM   #82
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So because they're doing physical activities it makes it a legally sanctioned sport?
LOL. Legally sanctioned.

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The term "sports entertainment" is a fair & even term, which is why it's used.
Actually, it's used because Vince wanted to distance himself from pro wrestling. Same reason the wrestlers are called "Superstars" and the fans are the "WWE Universe."
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Old 04-17-2010, 06:40 PM   #83
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Wow, that's like....deep man. ............I'm pretty sure I posted several times I could believe it happening.
You claimed that you had been to Vegas several times and had never seen it. Just pointing out that it does happen.
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Old 04-17-2010, 06:43 PM   #84
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To the subject, though, I can honestly see this blowing over fairly soon. All that will be done [probably] is that the two are "ordered" to stay away from each other, which they're doing now so I can't see it being an issue.

The reason I say this is because Jim Cornette has a reputation (as many have said when commenting on the situation) for having a temper and letting that temper get the best of him.
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Old 04-17-2010, 07:51 PM   #85
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Wrestling is not a sport. The matches are choreographed, & the outcome is predetermined. Due to the fact that the outcome is already decided before any match, it cannot be a sport. To most people, a sport means there is a legitimate winner/loser &/or competition, & pro wrestling is not about that. It's good vs. evil with larger than life characters.

No one keeps score. No win/loss records are recorded. For the most part, the local news, the sports section in the newspapers, & ESPN, as well as other various sports networks do not show results. Infact, for many, wrestling is consider a joke in the real sports world. Wrestling has always bragged about not having an off-season, but that's because it's not a real sport. They're not having to go through the stress other athletes go through, & for the most part, neither wrestler really wants to beat or hurt the other, therefore you can't call it a sport.

Some of you guys are starting to remind me of this guy -



"IT'S STILL REAL TO ME, DAMMIT!!!!!"

.....Look at me. It's Saturday night, & I'm on the freakin' internet arguing with computer nerds rather pro wrestling is real or not.....what a life I lead. I'm going to go do something more productive. I'm gonna go watch TV.
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Old 04-17-2010, 09:50 PM   #86
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Pretty sure I already did that, kid.

In fishing, there's actual competition. No one lets the other guy win, and scores are actually kept. I think I've covered that already before too.....

I have a feeling I'm going to be reposting things I already typed a lot. 1. That's usually how it goes when debating with internet "rasslin'" fans. For years, I've been known for repeating myself, but that's because some people refuse to respond, and just ignore my posts because they know they are wrong.

Do I really need to say more? 2. Thank you for proving my point though. I'm glad Vince Lombardi will never see that above comment.
1. If you don't like the way things go around here, feel free to delete your account. Nobody forced you to sign up here, and nobody's forcing you to stick around.

2. Your point isn't valid. As I stated before: Wrestling's staged. not fake. If it was fake it'd totally be pretend. Mick Foley going through the cell was very real. When it happened in the match with HHH it was even planned (staged). And just so you know, The reason he keeps referring you to the definition of sport, is because you're totally ignoring what he's trying to tell you, instead choosing to continue trying to prove him wrong without a leg to stand on. It's called "Sports Entertainment," not pretend fighting.
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Old 04-17-2010, 09:55 PM   #87
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They're not having to go through the stress other athletes go through
I could come up with countless points of evidence why that's wrong, but I'll leave that to everyone else that'll jump on that one. I'm simply gonna refer, once again, to Mick Foley.
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Old 04-18-2010, 12:24 AM   #88
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The pressure of actual competition can be very stressing, but the wrestlers would know little about that unless you're talking about backstage politics.

That Sports Entertaiment stuff is just a fancy phrase to make it seem more sport like, but any smart person knows wrestling is entertainment, and not an actual sport. You talk about me ignoring stuff....I've actually responded to every comment. You guys are the ones who keep ignoring my points.

I actually tried to end this nonsense, but you're the ones who keep it up. You clearly enjoy the debate, and that's okay, but these are opinions I've had for a long time now, and I doubt you'll change them. But if you wanna keep debating for the sake of it, I'm game.
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Old 04-18-2010, 12:31 AM   #89
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You are dumb
You guys believe a bunch of grown men wearing tights and spandex pretending to hurt each other is a real sport, and I'm dumb? Coming from you fellas, that's a compliment.

Now does this mean you don't wanna argue anymore?
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Why are you even still here? You yourself admitted you're a man-child, so go play with your toys and quit knocking wrestling for being a 'pretend sport.'
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Why are you even still here? You yourself admitted you're a man-child, so go play with your toys and quit knocking wrestling for being a 'pretend sport.'
lol. Only toy I play with is my penis, and I just got done, but thanks for the suggestion. I also was never knocking wrestling. I just see it for what it is.
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You guys believe a bunch of grown men wearing tights and spandex pretending to hurt each other is a real sport, and I'm dumb? Coming from you fellas, that's a compliment.

Now does this mean you don't wanna argue anymore?
Oh, Zeeboe, lying about Skippord's beliefs and running with it. You're adorable. It's good to see you're back in your stride.
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I also was never knocking wrestling. I just see it for what it is.
So how is it you've managed to so totally kill the original point of this thread, and completely negate to refute my point entirely? When a boxer takes a dive, is that not still a sport? Ice skating is choreographed, does that make it pretend? When Brock went nuts on camera, did that make UFC sports entertainment? So what if these things happen in wrestling all the time. I never said "IT'S STILL REAL TO ME, DAMMIT!!" I only stated that I, like you claim, see it for what it is. While it's not legit in the fact that the competition isn't entirely what it's made out to be, it still involves competition. Yes, it's purely for entertainment. Yes, it's staged from the opening video package all the way to the last segment. However, as I stated before, staged and fake are two entirely different things.
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Wrestling is not a sport. The matches are choreographed, & the outcome is predetermined. Due to the fact that the outcome is already decided before any match, it cannot be a sport. To most people, a sport means there is a legitimate winner/loser &/or competition, & pro wrestling is not about that. It's good vs. evil with larger than life characters.

No one keeps score. No win/loss records are recorded...They're not having to go through the stress other athletes go through, & for the most part, neither wrestler really wants to beat or hurt the other, therefore you can't call it a sport.
This whole statement, added to the fact that you pose as an evil-clown on a wrestling website, is what makes you 'dumb'. It's no compliment.

Matches generally aren't choreographed the whole way through. The outcome, beginning and sometimes a few high-spots are planned, generally that's it. 'SCORE' is kept, win/loss records ARE recorded, and in-ring performance determines your future, just like a performance on a football-pitch would, i.e - Keep doing well - you'll progress and be heavily featured. Perform badly - you might get dropped and be used in a lesser role.

No, no stress involved in pro-wrestling. Do you know the schedules pro-wrestlers have? Oblivious to the disturbing amounts of painkiller/drug addictions that wrestlers have? No, they don't want to hurt each-other. Sport is not defined on that.

I feel like you know all this anyway, I guess you get kicks from this online-heel thing. Obviously you do, as from the start I pretty much agreed with you saying pro-wrestling is sports entertainment, and I said it was completely unique, but still qualifies as a sport. HOWEVER, I still feel like I should respond just on the slim chance that someone has read your points and thought 'Well, I suppose that's true...'. Hugely unlikely, but stilllll.
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I still feel like I should respond just on the slim chance that someone has read your points and thought 'Well, I suppose that's true...'. Hugely unlikely, but stilllll.
I highly doubt anyone, aside from himself, is taking him seriously. And he may actually be oblivious, he's starting to come off as slightly delusional.
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So how is it you've managed to so totally kill the original point of this thread, and completely negate to refute my point entirely? When a boxer takes a dive, is that not still a sport? Ice skating is choreographed, does that make it pretend? When Brock went nuts on camera, did that make UFC sports entertainment? So what if these things happen in wrestling all the time. I never said "IT'S STILL REAL TO ME, DAMMIT!!" I only stated that I, like you claim, see it for what it is. While it's not legit in the fact that the competition isn't entirely what it's made out to be, it still involves competition. Yes, it's purely for entertainment. Yes, it's staged from the opening video package all the way to the last segment. However, as I stated before, staged and fake are two entirely different things.
I didn't start this nonsense. I made a comment about the thread's very topic, and you guys are the ones who got bent out of shape about it.

Also, you've dodged plenty of my points, whereas I have actually responded to yours. Boxing is intended to be a real sport despite guys taking dives, and I doubt that happens a lot. They're competing in ice skating, and yes, I think to some extent the UFC and MMA is sports entertainment when the guys act all crazy.

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I highly doubt anyone, aside from himself, is taking him seriously. And he may actually be oblivious, he's starting to come off as slightly delusional.
What an ironic comment.

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This whole statement, added to the fact that you pose as an evil-clown on a wrestling website, is what makes you 'dumb'. It's no compliment.

Matches generally aren't choreographed the whole way through. The outcome, beginning and sometimes a few high-spots are planned, generally that's it. 'SCORE' is kept, win/loss records ARE recorded, and in-ring performance determines your future, just like a performance on a football-pitch would, i.e - Keep doing well - you'll progress and be heavily featured. Perform badly - you might get dropped and be used in a lesser role.

No, no stress involved in pro-wrestling. Do you know the schedules pro-wrestlers have? Oblivious to the disturbing amounts of painkiller/drug addictions that wrestlers have? No, they don't want to hurt each-other. Sport is not defined on that.

I feel like you know all this anyway, I guess you get kicks from this online-heel thing. Obviously you do, as from the start I pretty much agreed with you saying pro-wrestling is sports entertainment, and I said it was completely unique, but still qualifies as a sport. HOWEVER, I still feel like I should respond just on the slim chance that someone has read your points and thought 'Well, I suppose that's true...'. Hugely unlikely, but stilllll.
I never said wrestling was not stressful. I just said that these guys don't have the media breathing down their backs all the time, nor do they have to worry about winning or losing for the most part.

Also, you guys are the ones who keep bringing up the evil clown thing. I'm not being in character. Even if I was, I could admit what I am, and what wrestling is. It's you guys who are the ones that have trouble admitting to what is.


One part of me feels like I should "let the baby have his bottle". If you guys want to believe wrestling is a real sport, who am I to try and take that way? Millions of children believe in Santa Claus too.
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you've dodged plenty of my points.
Like what, bro? Your whole argument is that wrestling is fake. Pretty flimsy. If you are by some chance trying, try harder. Give it some thought. Hell go spend some quality time with your keyboard and maybe something worth quoting will come to you.

Also, it's to be noted that I didn't even way in on your part in killing this thread until the 4th or 5th time you posted the same argument. As for now, I'm saving the respected posters around here the trouble. (KK does it because he wholly enjoys making an ass out of stupid people.)

As for your edit: I hadn't said anything about you being a clown. Also, you're still saying the same fucking thing, only in a more childish manner.
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Like what, bro? Your whole argument is that wrestling is fake. Pretty flimsy. If you are by some chance trying, try harder. Give it some thought. Hell go spend some quality time with your keyboard and maybe something worth quoting will come to you.

Also, it's to be noted that I didn't even way in on your part in killing this thread until the 4th or 5th time you posted the same argument. As for now, I'm saving the respected posters around here the trouble. (KK does it because he wholly enjoys making an ass out of stupid people.)
Hey bud, you're nose is a little brown.

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I seriously would not look to a grown man who's whole life is an internet message board to be your hero. I know it makes it seem like because he does it, that it makes it okay, and that one can have a decent life just being a popular computer nerd, but I'd be willing to bet just about anything that Kane Knight cries himself to sleep every night.

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Anyhow, getting back to the topic.....oh wait, that's right...this isn't the topic. Aw well. I figured I'd be repeating myself some, but before I do that....tj....whatever your name is, would you agree to answer a series of questions? All about this new topic. You're not gonna be like your hero are you, and avoid the ones you don't like, correct?
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Old 04-18-2010, 11:38 AM   #103
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Shoot bud, and yes my name is TJ. Not even gonna get into what it's short for. First off though, read around the fucking forums, moron. KK and I don't exactly get along. This is my 247th post. I've already had a disagreement with him, but I respect him as a poster. I have no problem telling him when the insane shit he says is funny, or when it's stupid. Secondly: the man is nowhere close to my hero. I, like you, have been coming to this site and forum over ten years. I remember the KKKwotes if that makes that statement believable. I never said his theories couldn't be debunked, but it'd take someone a whole lot smarter than you to pull it off.
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Shoot bud, and yes my name is TJ. Not even gonna get into what it's short for. First off though, read around the fucking forums, moron. KK and I don't exactly get along. This is my 247th post. I've already had a disagreement with him, but I respect him as a poster. I have no problem telling him when the insane shit he says is funny, or when it's stupid. Secondly: the man is nowhere close to my hero. I, like you, have been coming to this site and forum over ten years. I remember the KKKwotes if that makes that statement believable. I never said his theories couldn't be debunked, but it'd take someone a whole lot smarter than you to pull it off.
Perhaps you should take your own advice, & "read the fucking forums".

Anyhow, we talked about the win/loss records. In almost every other sport, the audience is told what the win/loss record is for both competitors. How come they do not do the same in pro wrestling? Why is it different?

By the way - I don't plan to spend the day doing this, so don't expect instant responses.
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Perhaps you should take your own advice, & "read the fucking forums".

Anyhow, we talked about the win/loss records. In almost every other sport, the audience is told what the win/loss record is for both competitors. How come they do not do the same in pro wrestling? Why is it different?

By the way - I don't plan to spend the day doing this, so don't expect instant responses.
First of all, don't make yourself feel important thinking I'm sitting here waiting on you to reply. I have a dual monitor setup, and I believe in tabbed browsing. I'm actually doing quite alot including taking care of my two children. One of the tabs on my browser happens to be open to one of my favorite sites: TPDub. The wrestling forum more specifically. Every time you bump this shit to the top, I see it.

Second part: what the hell are you referring to? I should read around the forums? Again, don't even try to validate your life by thinking I'm waiting on a response from you. I couldn't care less if your mom poisons your breakfast.

Finally: The win-loss records aren't announced because, for the 19th time, wrestling is staged. It really doesn't matter who is 163- 0 unless it's part of the gimmick. It's about the build. The story that's being told. How it looks on paper doesn't matter.
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Old 04-18-2010, 11:57 AM   #106
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Wrestling's not a sport. Zeeboe has trolled TPWW since before most of you knew about it, making it worse that you guys are letting him get to you. So unless you guys are itching to get worked up to the point of Godwinning a thread or just spamming to up your post count, there's no real point here. Not that I advocate spam.
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Old 04-18-2010, 11:58 AM   #107
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Honestly I'm curious as to why this shit hasn't been closed by now. It was a decent thread...
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Honestly I'm curious as to why this shit hasn't been closed by now. It was a decent thread...
Can't pin it on me. I just made one small comment, and you guys are the ones who got bent out of shape. You could have ignored it, or started a new thread.
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Who gives a shit. This shouldn't have gone 3 pages
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Honestly I'm curious as to why this shit hasn't been closed by now. It was a decent thread...
No it wasn't.
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