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Old 05-12-2010, 11:04 AM   #1
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I am fine with supernatural explanations of things, but I want to know how we got from Jacob kills his brother, fast forward 2,000 years to them sitting on the beach.

That is such a huge timeframe to not see in what has become the focal point of the show.

Well the guy you see sitting on the beach with Jacob is the SMoke Monster appearing as Jacob's brother.
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:15 AM   #2
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Well the guy you see sitting on the beach with Jacob is the SMoke Monster appearing as Jacob's brother.
?? So this is the first time they have seen each other in 2,000 years? It doesnt make any sense.

Im going to assume MiB cant leave the Island because he suffered a fate worse than death, where he is ultimately trapped as this smoke monster.

Did going into the glowing cave release some sort of ancient evil and thats why Jacob is there? The mother made it seem like they were there to protect the energy source while Jacob says he is there to keep the smoke monster from leaving. So which is it?
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:22 AM   #3
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?? So this is the first time they have seen each other in 2,000 years? It doesnt make any sense.

Im going to assume MiB cant leave the Island because he suffered a fate worse than death, where he is ultimately trapped as this smoke monster.

Did going into the glowing cave release some sort of ancient evil and thats why Jacob is there? The mother made it seem like they were there to protect the energy source while Jacob says he is there to keep the smoke monster from leaving. So which is it?

Yeah here is my current take....

The white light that Mother said needed to be protected is 'the heart of the Island' and what it is, is something that is inside every man - I think it takes the right man or right person to 'have it' or guard it in this case. If the wrong type of soul claims it, the power becomes darkness and evil. Mother thought MIB was special, in a good way. He is the 'Bad Twin' of the two.
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:27 AM   #4
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Yeah here is my current take....

The white light that Mother said needed to be protected is 'the heart of the Island' and what it is, is something that is inside every man - I think it takes the right man or right person to 'have it' or guard it in this case. If the wrong type of soul claims it, the power becomes darkness and evil. Mother thought MIB was special, in a good way. He is the 'Bad Twin' of the two.
I could go with that theory. I would assume thats what is happening, but its a little jumbeled.

I hope we get a little more in depth on this. This episode would have served better earlier in the season I think.
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:34 AM   #5
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This episode would have served better earlier in the season I think.
Yeah that is what I think also.


In my pervious post I mentioned the phrase 'Bad Twin'.

Unless you read about it or actually did the Lost Experience game you will not know...

Apparently the guy who got sucked into the turbine engine thingy in the very first episode is a guy called Gary Troupe, who was an author, who wrote a book 'Bad Twin'. A little nod and foreshadowing of things to come

Have a read..

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Gary_Troup
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:25 AM   #6
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?? So this is the first time they have seen each other in 2,000 years? It doesnt make any sense.

Im going to assume MiB cant leave the Island because he suffered a fate worse than death, where he is ultimately trapped as this smoke monster.

Did going into the glowing cave release some sort of ancient evil and thats why Jacob is there? The mother made it seem like they were there to protect the energy source while Jacob says he is there to keep the smoke monster from leaving. So which is it?
what makes you think it's the first time they've seen each other in 2000 years?

Yea, the cave/light thing I am trying to make sense in my head. To me, it's like if someone (a corrupt human) who is not pure went into the cave, it releases the monster. Dunno, it's a reach, but I'm thinking along those lines
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:16 AM   #7
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Well the guy you see sitting on the beach with Jacob is the SMoke Monster appearing as Jacob's brother.
Yes this is true, but I think part of Jacob's brother still exists. Every scene we have seen him in, esp with Richard, you can tell he is playing the same character, and not just some supernatural smoke entity. I dunno, could be wrong, but when they converse, he comes off as being the guy who really is Jacob's brother. If he was JUST the smoke monster surely his language, gestures would be something alien like?

MIB also recites the exact same thing 'Mother' says about people who come to the Island, 'they come they destroy...etc', it could be the monster 'accessing his memories' like it did with Locke.

Also, when he talks to Richard, he says he was robbed of his humanity and his body. Could just be the actual monster using that as a means of manipulation.

But yeah, too much to cover and answer I think. I think the finale will be awesome don't get me wrong, but I can see a degree of disappointment on the horizon with regard to answers. And answers are important now.
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:34 AM   #8
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Yes this is true, but I think part of Jacob's brother still exists. Every scene we have seen him in, esp with Richard, you can tell he is playing the same character, and not just some supernatural smoke entity. I dunno, could be wrong, but when they converse, he comes off as being the guy who really is Jacob's brother. If he was JUST the smoke monster surely his language, gestures would be something alien like?

MIB also recites the exact same thing 'Mother' says about people who come to the Island, 'they come they destroy...etc', it could be the monster 'accessing his memories' like it did with Locke.

Also, when he talks to Richard, he says he was robbed of his humanity and his body. Could just be the actual monster using that as a means of manipulation.

But yeah, too much to cover and answer I think. I think the finale will be awesome don't get me wrong, but I can see a degree of disappointment on the horizon with regard to answers. And answers are important now.

this is one I am going to disagree with you on and I hope they answer this fully. I think MIB completely died in last night's time. I think the Smoke Monster took over his looks and everything else about him. Like his character. I think the SMoke Monster has the power to do this.
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this is one I am going to disagree with you on and I hope they answer this fully. I think MIB completely died in last night's time. I think the Smoke Monster took over his looks and everything else about him. Like his character. I think the SMoke Monster has the power to do this.
So you think the Smoke Monster is a completely different entity, sort of the bad twin if you will to the Island's glowing light? Possible, but I still go back to what the mother said about suffering a fate worse than death.
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