LOST Theories (will have spoliers)

[Jeritron]

It seems as though an awful lot of people who are seriously lacking in imagination got invested in Lost. I don't know how that happened.

It would seem to me that it's the exact type of show people like that shouldn't have any interest in, since the sci fi and broad metaphysical elements are a massive part of it.
I suppose it was so compelling that it lured in a lot of people whose alley it really probably wasn't up.

Even personally I noticed a lot of people interested in Lost that had never had interest in things like it before.
I think somewhere along the line people like that decided they would accept these things for a while, as long as they got concrete, by-the-numbers answers that led to the unexplainable being explained in a way that made it real.

Ultimately I don't think it was the right show for them, and never was going to be. They may not have realized it but they were watching for answers and explanation of the unknown, and not for the actual show.

[Lock Jaw]

Originally Posted by Jeritron It seems as though an awful lot of people who are seriously lacking in imagination got invested in Lost. I don't know how that happened.

It happened because for the first two seasons or so, the show was relatively "grounded". I know people who started watching it, but then stopped when it started getting really crazy and "sci fi"ish.

I mean, I had no idea this is what I was signing up for when I originally began to watch a show about a group of crash survivors on an Island, trying to cooperate with each other and escape.

[Lara Emily]

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw It happened because for the first two seasons or so, the show was relatively "grounded". I know people who started watching it, but then stopped when it started getting really crazy and "sci fi"ish. I mean, I had no idea this is what I was signing up for when I originally began to watch a show about a group of crash survivors on an Island, trying to cooperate with each other and escape.

Oh come on there was a fucking smoke monster in the damn Pilot

[Loose Cannon]

yea, I would say the first season especialy had a lot of mysteries and had a lot of super natural stuff in it. The 3rd season kind of had the violence and the action when they faced off against The Others.

[Lock Jaw]

Originally Posted by Lara Emily Oh come on there was a fucking smoke monster in the damn Pilot

You didn't know it was a smoke monster though.


"Whatevs". There is a definite shift in the series at some point or other, where it becomes more... "Fantastical".

Which has caused some people I know to stop watching.

For the record, I thought it was brilliant.

[VSG]

Many friends I know stopped watching around season 4 when the time travel concept got its thrust. Guess that was their line.

[Jeritron]

The show definitely became more heavy when it comes to science fiction and the like, but that's not really a new direction it took, it was just the progession of the story and things ratcheting up as it moved on.
The writing was definitely on the wall. I know what you mean about it starting more grounded, like a Lord of the Flies type deal, but that was just the natural way of entering the story.
There were tons of supernatural elements from the get go, and it's obvious that's where they were always going with it.
I would argue that those people should have seen it coming.

[Requiem]

I think the thing that depresses me most about this show being over, is that it will either be never, or a very long time before another show comes along that's "like" LOST.

[VSG]

Well Fringe is a poor man's replacement, but I watch it nonetheless.

[McLegend]

Wasn't "Lost" originally based on the Tom Hanks movie "Cast Away?"

That's what I always thought.

[The Destroyer]

The initial pre-Abrams concept was partially based on it, yes.

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by VSG Well Fringe is a poor man's replacement, but I watch it nonetheless.

Fringe got pretty awesome this season, but yeah.. It is not the same as LOST.

[XL]

Originally Posted by XL Can someone hook me up with a link to a decent download of the finale?

[Ogen]

http://www.ninjavideo.net/ either stream it from there or let the video load and right click save as. Perfect quality.

[Jeritron]

So I've been watching through the series again gradually since the finale. It's been pretty awesome. It's a totally new experience really.
I'm pretty amazed at how clearly crafted some of the revelations of season six are.

I was just watching the episode where Mr. Eko dies, and it's obvious that The Smoke Monster is an intelligent being with an agenda, who can imitate the dead. It's all but told. I don't know how everyone didn't notice this clue, but as something that wasn't revealed until season six I was pretty impressed by this. Hindsight is 20/20 I guess.
Seriously, if you can watch that episode you'll know what I'm talking about.

All of the stuff that comes afterwards with the cabin, Christian, and the events leading up to the loophole are definitely coordinated.

There have been a lot of other things too, like The Others being "the good guys", and the importance of the candidates.

I always thought it was way more planned out than some people gave credit for, but I always felt that it was perfectly natural and obvious that some parts were made up as it went along. And a lot were, but I'm pretty sure there were major decisions made as early as season 2 that carried over until the end.

Still have no clue why people are so hung up on Walt. Upon watching Season 2 again, it's even more ridiculous to me. They flat out adress the fact that he's special, but The Others want him because he's an innocent. They have no problems letting him go in exchange for Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley.
Completely overblown "loose end."

[Jeritron]

Might start posting in this thread after every disc just to keep it alive for a while longer

[RoXer]

Alvarado just finished watching walkabout. I think he knows better than to post in here though

[Jeritron]

I predict Alvarado taps out in the third season. If he makes it to season 5, he might just pass out

[XL]

I was just watching the episode where Mr. Eko dies, and it's obvious that The Smoke Monster is an intelligent being with an agenda, who can imitate the dead. It's all but told. I don't know how everyone didn't notice this clue, but as something that wasn't revealed until season six I was pretty impressed by this. Hindsight is 20/20 I guess.

Did nobody notice this?

I remember reading early on that people thought the Smoke Monster had intelligence and wan't just a killing machine/security system. The thing with appearing as the dead was picked up pretty quickly too if I remember correctly.

[wwe2222]

Originally Posted by XL Did nobody notice this? I remember reading early on that people thought the Smoke Monster had intelligence and wan't just a killing machine/security system. The thing with appearing as the dead was picked up pretty quickly too if I remember correctly.

I think most people got this. It clearly scanned Eko and ran through his memories, and was pretty obvious it was Yemi

The Cabin stuff still doesnt seem all that clear to me, and I still dont know why Richard told Locke to kill his father or why the Others were trying to kill the 815ers

[Loose Cannon]

yep, just saw that one the other day when the Smoke Monster meets Eko for the first time. Yea, I agree. totally new experience watching them over and you really do see things coordinate till the end. Like in season 2, Goodwin (the guy who Ana Lucia kills) explains about the list and how they took the good people and he killed Nathan because Nathan was bad. And then I think Ben later admited it was Goodwin's plan to try and change Ana Lucia's ways to make her a good person.

[Lock Jaw]

I think The Others were being manipulated by the Smoke Monster through Ben (and the cabin), which is why for much of the time they seemed pretty antagonistic.

[Hanso Amore]

That was never addressed, I think IMHO iswas slightly implied. In write ups from people "In the know" they say that is in fact truth. But hardly proven in show. I think it makes the most sense as well.

I just reead the truce with the Dharma on Lostpedia. Like they never talk about it on the show really but they actually have the document. Pretty cool stuff.

[Hanso Amore]

You know what? The "Good People" in theory were everyone but the Candidates in a way. The candidates were flawed and incomplete like Jacob said.

I used to think that Smokey was pulling bens strings because they tried to kill the candidates...but in fact maybe Jacob wanted them to go through all that stuff. THey had to learn to accept their calling

[Hanso Amore]

Seriously think about that Jack/Kate goodbye all these weeks later still gets me man.

Like damn

[Jeritron]

The Others weren't really trying to kill the 815ers though. Most of their evil actions are things that Ben is calling the shots on, not Jacob. Since Ben is lying about his commune with Jacob, he's basically going rogue and manipulating the group for his own agenda.

They kidnap Claire to help her baby, it just doesn't seem that way at first.
They kidnap the children and flight attendant, and several others, and then we see them living good lives. The people that they kidnap end up genuinely getting better lives, since they're probably people who weren't candidates or part of any plan/lists, and are innocent bystanders.
Kidnapping Jack, Kate and Sawyer was all Ben's brainchild, so that he could save his own ass from the spinal tumor and get Jack to operate on him.
Kidnapping Walt was probably to give him a better life, as he's an innocent child and special, but then later presented more value to The Others as a means of gaining Ben's escape, and trading up for the spinal surgeon.

The Smoke Monster was definitely pulling manipulation with the cabin at some point to though.
I think a big part of the reason Jacob and Ben didn't have a direct commune is because Ben was never Jacob's choice to lead The Others. Widmore was, and Ben taking over was Ben's ambition.
Locke was special and the next choice for the job.

[Jeritron]

Originally Posted by Hanso You know what? The "Good People" in theory were everyone but the Candidates in a way. The candidates were flawed and incomplete like Jacob said. I used to think that Smokey was pulling bens strings because they tried to kill the candidates...but in fact maybe Jacob wanted them to go through all that stuff. THey had to learn to accept their calling

This too. I think Jacob sort of looks the other way in allowing a lot to happen in the era of Ben's leadership. He may or may not even call for a few of those things to happen.
He definitely has little to no involvement in Ben's regime though.
Smoke Monster definitely has more, but I think Ben is pulling the majority of the strings in his secret confusion, while Jacob's probably reluctantly letting it go for a greater good.
It all plays into the ultimate patchwork of destiny.

[Jeritron]

I was reading some stuff on Lostpedia today where a few people actually are trying to argue that the flash sideways is really a parallel universe and 'real life', not an afterlife.
Sort of staggering. I think that would be a case of forcing a theory due to not accepting what is told.

They also contend that the Incident created that timeline, regardless of whether it's an afterlife or not.
I'm not sure how detonating that bomb and theoretically preventing the incident (even though they really caused it), would lead to the creation of something like heaven.
I mean, we were intentionally led to think that for a while before the twist, but that ship has sailed. I dunno.

[Hanso Amore]

Yeah good shit Jeri. Your right.

Ben was never chosen. He was shot by Sayid, taken to the temple and wanted to be an other because of his dad. He wasnt special. He just refused to take orders from Widmore.

How do you think WIdmore got rich? When and how did he have Penny? Widmore is a superinteresting character to me. I wish we had gotten more out of him.

[Lock Jaw]

[Jeritron]

Widmore is interesting to me because he was the leader of "the good guys", but he's extremely mean to Desmond for no real reason.
Maybe he's just really protective of his daughter, but it's intense. I always figured that his success in the real world was probably just the result of being such a powerful and influential person by nature, going from a leader on the island to a leader in the real world.
No clue though. I think his character became a major force late enough in the show that flashbacks weren't really being done anymore. He would have had an interesting flashback episode, if they saw fit to do so.

I also think Widmore is probably one of those characters that had their role evolved due to popularity. Desmond got very popular, and in turn Widmore probably saw an increased role/connection to The Island.
I wouldn't be suprised at all if his original involvement wasn't supposed to go any further than being a douchebag to Desmond about Penny. Who knows though.

[Hanso Amore]

Originally Posted by Jeritron I was reading some stuff on Lostpedia today where a few people actually are trying to argue that the flash sideways is really a parallel universe and 'real life', not an afterlife. Sort of staggering. I think that would be a case of forcing a theory due to not accepting what is told. They also contend that the Incident created that timeline, regardless of whether it's an afterlife or not. I'm not sure how detonating that bomb and theoretically preventing the incident (even though they really caused it), would lead to the creation of something like heaven. I mean, we were intentionally led to think that for a while before the twist, but that ship has sailed. I dunno.

Exactly. The Bomb going off and then this new "timeline" was a swerve. It was meant to make us think that so the final seen was all WTF

So any idiot that didnt get that is a fucking tard.

[Hanso Amore]

Well it was jut off to me that He was thrown off the island post Purge, so like what, 1992? And he is such a big player by 2001 when Desmond goes on the boat race? So he mut have been powerful in the real world before leaving the island ofr good, so that would be cool to know about.

I would love a Dharma book or something too.

Like I dont expect them to keep beating the lost horse...but why not write some books or something on the Lost world outside of the show...Jus seems like it happens with every other major story,.

[XL]

We know that Widmore was travelling off island don't we? He already had a life off island - in which he made dome woman pregnant with Penny. So he could have been accumilating that wealth/power long before he was banished by Ben.

[Jeritron]

Originally Posted by Hanso Exactly. The Bomb going off and then this new "timeline" was a swerve. It was meant to make us think that so the final seen was all WTF So any idiot that didnt get that is a fucking tard.

Not to mention their reasoning was pretty horrible from what I could be bothered reading.
One guy basically dropped common sense on them, telling them that it was clearly an afterlife and they were wishful thinking.
One retort was "then why were characters able to be hurt, and get surgery, and things like that? That doesn't sound like an afterlife to me."
I mean come on. That's all part of the experience. They aren't actually in mortal danger. That's like saying dreams are reality because realistic things happen, or hell isn't a depiction of an afterlife because torture and burning are worldly things.

Also, no conceivable way to argue that detonating jughead would create an afterlife. An afterlife is on a higher plane than time loop and quantum physics.
Detonating jughead specifically was theorized to prevent the incident and screw up the space-time continum, not create another dimension of eternal existence.
I bet this idea comes solely from Juliet saying "it worked", but she obviously meant something different. She meant there was another place where their troubles were over, and everything they did was working towards it.


I read some really interesting things about the afterlife while I was there though. Most of them have to do with passage of time in the flash sideways. Like Christian says, "there is no now." It's not reality with rules of time like the real world. It's all happening in both an instant and for eternity, and people arrive at that point whether they died 5 years before the finale, or a thousand years after it.
That's obvious, but some small touches hinted towards it:

I guess time passes with no rhyme or reason if you pay attention. At some point Sayid experiences multiple days while Sun and Jin only experience one day even though their stories are interwoven, and there are things like Jack showing up to the concert late, the concert having the tables set for it weeks in advance, Lockes surgery taking place hours before the concert.
We actually caught that one in this thread and wondered how it would work...

Pretty interesting stuff that the writers obviously worked in there, but were able to keep secret

[Jeritron]

Originally Posted by XL We know that Widmore was travelling off island don't we? He already had a life off island - in which he made dome woman pregnant with Penny. So he could have been accumilating that wealth/power long before he was banished by Ben.

I think Jacob's people are also a bit of a secret society. I'm not saying this is where he got all his money and success, but it seems as though they have a lot of connections.
He may have even been powerful, or from a powerful family, before he came to be on the island.
Like XL said, he could also have been building power in the real world during his time as leader on the island, perhaps even using those resources to help his real world interests, and vice versa.

[Hanso Amore]

I love the "there is no now" line.

[Jeritron]

I was just thinking, what was the deal with that cut on Jack's neck that kept bleeding (in the afterlife)?
I figure it was probably small instances of trying to get him to realize where he was.

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by Jeritron The Others weren't really trying to kill the 815ers though. Most of their evil actions are things that Ben is calling the shots on, not Jacob. Since Ben is lying about his commune with Jacob, he's basically going rogue and manipulating the group for his own agenda..

This is true because if you go back to my post, it was later revealed Ben sent Goodwin to the Tail Section because he thought Goodwin eventually would die. Ben wanted Goodwin dead because Goodwin and Juliet were having a relaitonship and Ben was jealous.

[Jeritron]

I'm on Season 3 right now, and the episodes with Desmond beginning to have his flashes. These are way better than I originally thought they were. Great writing.

While I was watching Flashes Before Your Eyes, the whole time I was thinking all of this stuff with Desmond's consciousness in the past and Eloise telling him about the button and the Island before he ever goes can't be happening, because it will change how things go and he will know when he gets there. Since we know that isn't the case, it wouldn't be "what happened happened", but another reality.
Then his mistaken deja vu leads to him getting clocked in the head with a baseball bat and bingo, he's back to 2004.
That was so perfect because it must have caused an amnesia that made him forget about the things Eloise told him that day, and everything that happened there had in fact always happened. It had to.

Just great writing.