Street Ultra Fighter IV Announced - Super Aggrivated Emo

[Kalyx triaD]

Originally Posted by Drakul I really don't understand the godlike status Diago has among fans of these things. Winning with Ryu/Ken is so unimpressive. Let's see him do as well while using someone with more disadvantages than advantages. I've never seen or heard of him playing as any character other than Ryu/Ken except Hakan, once. I remember reading that Diago tried Hakan after he was revealed and said Hakan sucked. I'm guessing because he isn't a Ryuesque character that has an answer for every situation and because he can't beat almost every move with one of his own like Ryu can. I honestly think all of us are better players than Diago is. We specialize in characters like Cammy, Zangief, T.Hawk, Fei Long and others. We are really good with multiple characters that vary from each other in a big way while Diago sticks to Ryu and Ken, two near identicle beginner characters. Ryu? It's like winning 1000's of SmackDown matches as Triple H or Cena. Of course you'll win picking the character with the least flaws and the most advantages. Winning Smackdown matches with Funaki or Street Fighter matches with Hakan or Gen. Now that would take skill. A bad player can do well with a "good" character A good player can do well with a "bad" character Just my opinion.

I agree with everything posted, but just to be sure Daigo is just plain good. I don't idol worship other players and I mostly follow philosophies rather than win record but Daigo is a cool, great player.

Having said that I completely agree on the idea that tiers reveal the weaker players when tier whores choose characters that are easiest to play. I figured to myself that a truly good player would focus on low-tier characters and win tournies that way. That almost never happens, and that's some of the reason I detest elitist and the whole idea of tier whoring.

How picking characters you like on a personality/design level became the 'scrub' thing to do blows my mind. Like I mentioned in a mini-rant in the News thread, shit got backwards as competitive gaming grew across the genres. What is scrubby in my eyes is 'top skill' to elite bastards, and any attempt to balance and promote competitive play is hated by elitist.

In the past decade imbalance became some sort of evidence for a good game and the idea's been allowed to flourish in certain communities. It may take a while to fix this.

[Drakul]

Originally Posted by Kalyx triaD I agree with everything posted, but just to be sure Daigo is just plain good. I don't idol worship other players and I mostly follow philosophies rather than win record but Daigo is a cool, great player.

Yeah, he's good but it's who he is good with that makes me sceptical on how "skilled" he really is. Being as good as he is with Ryu can give the illusion he is better than he actually is if he's using one of the best characters in the game.

Originally Posted by Kalyx triaD Having said that I completely agree on the idea that tiers reveal the weaker players when tier whores choose characters that are easiest to play. I figured to myself that a truly good player would focus on low-tier characters and win tournies that way. That almost never happens, and that's some of the reason I detest elitist and the whole idea of tier whoring. How picking characters you like on a personality/design level became the 'scrub' thing to do blows my mind. Like I mentioned in a mini-rant in the News thread, shit got backwards as competitive gaming grew across the genres. What is scrubby in my eyes is 'top skill' to elite bastards, and any attempt to balance and promote competitive play is hated by elitist. In the past decade imbalance became some sort of evidence for a good game and the idea's been allowed to flourish in certain communities. It may take a while to fix this.

I don't look at tiers because I think if you see that "X" is a bad match against "Y", on some level you'll make it harder for yourself when you choose X and have to fight Y. Like it influences how you view that match up and you think "Damn, X sucks against Y. This is going to be tough".

I wish more people would pick characters based on who suits their playstyle the best rather than who is the easiest to win with. If they did, the online community would be much more varied, interesting and possibly more competitive.
I, for example, enjoy playing as Zangief because I prefer to sacrifice speed for strength. I'd rather lumber towards someone to SPD them than zip around the stage and master an 18-hit combo with Gen or Chun-Li.
Brute strength is my preferred style in almost every game I play and Zangief caters to that so I play as him and it turns out I'm actually pretty good with him.
If more people used characters that suit how they play rather than adapting to whoever is viewed as the best, online would be a whole lot better.

The "scrubby" thing just like anything else in life. Someone, somewhere randomly decides what is and isn't acceptable and the majority of people just accept it for some reason. "This is cool and this isn't. This is fun and this isn't. This is stylish and this isn't. This is scrubby and this isn't."

"scrubbiness" is just something snooty "serious" players use to excuse away a lose and create some kind of sad attempt at a hierarchy. Saying they lost because they fought a "scrub" Ken that just Shoryukened the whole time. If they lost to a "scrub" wouldn't that mean they are an even bigger "scrub" for losing to one?

This links in with the hypocrisy. When you complain on a forum about another player that was spamming, the elitests say "Stop expecting people to play by your rules!" and tell you to learn to play the game but if they call people "scrubs", isn't that expecting people to play by their rules? "You don't play as I do so you are a scrub.". Kind of two faced, there.

Anyway, typed too much. Going to go and start a lobby in a couple minutes if one isn't already up and running if anyone want's to come along. Underlining this so if anyone skips this wall of text they at least notice this bit.