UFC 129: Shields v. GSP

[Krimzon7]

Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus Hope you mean Jardine and Liddell..

I was ready for some Ortiz hate. Look, I don't like the dude, and think he's an uber douche. But facts are facts. and four of the most influential names in the History of the UFC are Liddell, Ortiz, Griffin and Bonnar literally in that order. Ortiz is still the longest reigning LHW champion in UFC history IIRC.

gotta give the douche his props. He is the Oakland Raiders of the UFC, a pain in the ass to deal with, but no less as important as the good guys.

[The Show Off]

Originally Posted by Krimzon7 I was ready for some Ortiz hate. Look, I don't like the dude, and think he's an uber douche. But facts are facts. and four of the most influential names in the History of the UFC are Liddell, Ortiz, Griffin and Bonnar literally in that order. Ortiz is still the longest reigning LHW champion in UFC history IIRC. gotta give the douche his props. He is the Oakland Raiders of the UFC, a pain in the ass to deal with, but no less as important as the good guys.

I might put Couture in there before I were to put Stephan Bonnar but your point is well said.

Tito Ortiz suffers from the same trouble as Keith Jardine in that he has fought great compitition which is why he's lost. And when Ortiz fought easy compititon (Shamrock) he dominated.

Against Hamill Ortiz looked the best he has in years. Ortiz will never be a contender again but he's a great barometer to see if a guy is worthy of the next step. Not to mention Tito could still generate ratings based on his name which is more than can be said than 95% of people in the UFC.

Ortiz stands a good chance again Lil Nog. Obviously Ortiz is passed his prime but the guy is box office and is still and adequate fighter.

[abec]

titos on a 423209 fight losing streak, i'm sure they'd give machida another chance.