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Old 05-11-2011, 11:42 PM   #81
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Okay, I feel like I need to clarify, I am not on that guy's side. My thoughts are totally separate. The Great Khali... come on...
That was mostly directed at Wolfpack because he himself mentioned Khali by name. I see what you're saying, and I know you're a different person.
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Old 05-11-2011, 11:48 PM   #82
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I actually posted that before your reply... but yeah... I find him to be in the middle til proven otherwise.

Though I would enjoy seeing him come about and flourish on Smackdown because I feel he has the "superstar look". I just wanna see him prove something.
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Old 05-11-2011, 11:53 PM   #83
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lol. Wait... "Whatever it is doesn't appear to be what WWE look for?" Umm... I don't know if you've noticed but Alex Riley isn't exactly a huge star yet. Let's not deem him "what the WWE is looking for." So fair, the WWE seems to be leaning more toward my opinion.

He has shown more charisma and mic skills than the rest of the NXT guys. A group that produced some promos that are notoriously awful. lol. But I've seen the guy cut a promo. His promo on Raw was FINE. But it certainly didn't stand out. And I've seen him cut some pretty shitty promos.

I like the guy. Simply for the fact that I haven't seen anything to dislike him yet. But I think people are too high on him at the moment is all. I think people are trying to exaggerate his skills. I've seen the same with plenty of guys. But claiming he's such a "good wrestler" is crazy unless you've seen some indy stuff I haven't (Which is totally possible. I just think this should be brought to light. lol) He hasn't had a good, even decent match in WWE to showcase it but people are praising his wrestling skills. It doesn't take an insane amount of skill to work a 4 minute WWE style match at the moment.
They quite obviously see something in him. He's been linked on TV to the #1 pushed heel in the company/WWE champion for however many months since NXT finished, not to mention exchanges with Austin, Rock and so on. Those spots don't get given to anybody (especially those that get themselves arrested not long after going up to the main roster) and they aren't afraid to change things when a guy is struggling. No sign of either with Riley. WWE definitely don't appear to be seeing things from your 'point of view'. You seem to be looking at this from some kind of 'workrate!' pov as opposed to an actual wrestling business point of view, as referenced throughout the rest of your response (the last 2 lines, really?)

As for 'people are too high on him', no idea what you mean. I've been riding his nuts for a while but even that's only been 3 or 4 mentions over the space of about 8 months. I don't really recall many/any others doing the same until this thread appeared.
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I think he has at least proven that he is not the worst wrestler today. Whether he'll ever become as big as Mo from Men on a Mission is anybody's guess.
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Old 05-11-2011, 11:55 PM   #85
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I've been a big Riley fan since NXT. He was in some good matches there, mostly with Kaval.
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Of all the horrible wrestlers in the E and TNA, some choose to hate a guy that actually has potential to be great?
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He's not great and headlining PPV's now Narc so it doesn't matter about silly things like potential ya dig
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We are all missing the most important part of Wolfpack's post. He spoiled the Impact results for me. My week is ruined.
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If you're confused Dave, Alex Riley will NOT be appearing on Impact this week.
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They quite obviously see something in him. He's been linked on TV to the #1 pushed heel in the company/WWE champion for however many months since NXT finished, not to mention exchanges with Austin, Rock and so on. Those spots don't get given to anybody (especially those that get themselves arrested not long after going up to the main roster) and they aren't afraid to change things when a guy is struggling. No sign of either with Riley. WWE definitely don't appear to be seeing things from your 'point of view'. You seem to be looking at this from some kind of 'workrate!' pov as opposed to an actual wrestling business point of view, as referenced throughout the rest of your response (the last 2 lines, really?)
Him being linked to the #1 heel in the company means absolutely nothing. Let's be real. Cena DESTROYED him on Raw. They didn't even give him a chance. He's been booked to be weak as hell. Wade Barrett was considered the top heel in the companylast summer. Who was linked with him? David Otunga... Michael McGillicutty... how much did it do for their careers?
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Also, Santino got arrested. And then was the runner up in the Royal Rumble. And now is a jobber again. You're putting entirely too much into WWE's booking process. Whatever NXT guy in season 2 they viewed as the "most Miz-like" they would have done the exact same storyline. You can't honestly argue that point.
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Him being linked to the #1 heel in the company means absolutely nothing. Let's be real. Cena DESTROYED him on Raw. They didn't even give him a chance. He's been booked to be weak as hell. Wade Barrett was considered the top heel in the companylast summer. Who was linked with him? David Otunga... Michael McGillicutty... how much did it do for their careers?
Do you happen to remember the very first appearance of Johnny Nitro? He was Bischoff's lackey, was a complete joke, and lost every match by a landslide. I remember specifically him getting squashed by Eugene. That same guy is now John Morrison.
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Do you happen to remember the very first appearance of Johnny Nitro? He was Bischoff's lackey, was a complete joke, and lost every match by a landslide. I remember specifically him getting squashed by Eugene. That same guy is now John Morrison.
Exactly!!!

Have you read the rest of my posts?

So now, we're supposed to assume that anyone who is "a complete joke, loses every match by a landslide" and is squashed by nobodys are supposed to be the next John Morrisons? (Ignoring the fact that John Morrison DID come along later and just assuming that everyone who does that WILL come along?) Apparently so. And that proves my point.
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What? Nobody is assuming that about everybody. That is an absolutely ridiculous argument. I didn't say that nor did anybody else. We're saying that Riley has potential because we believe he does. I wouldn't say the same thing about Jackson Andrews, Mason Ryan, Joe Hennig, Otunga, etc because they aren't looking too sharp to me. Riley has a solid look, is comfortable on the mic (could use some more time), and comfortable in the ring as well. He's only going to improve also. I think he's got something, personally.

Stop making these wild sweeping generalizations.
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Also because I would bang Riley and Morrison.
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Not that Mason Ryan is ugly or anything. He's just... I dunno. Wouldn't be into it.
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How about Ezekiel Jackson? Everyone that he does, he dominates them.
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What? Nobody is assuming that about everybody. That is an absolutely ridiculous argument. I didn't say that nor did anybody else. We're saying that Riley has potential because we believe he does. I wouldn't say the same thing about Jackson Andrews, Mason Ryan, Joe Hennig, Otunga, etc because they aren't looking too sharp to me. Riley has a solid look, is comfortable on the mic (could use some more time), and comfortable in the ring as well. He's only going to improve also. I think he's got something, personally.

Stop making these wild sweeping generalizations.
I actually said that I was making no assumptions. Just saying that AT THIS POINT he hasn't shown anything. You threw in the fact that someone who was failing miserably ended up doing really well. In a discussion about why someone I don't see anything about should succeed... that sounds like ASSUMING to me.
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You made a statement about how the WWE is doing nothing with him right now. I gave you an example as to why that isn't an accurate thing to go off of. Would you like more? I seem to remember a Deacon, a Dentist, and a Ringmaster who they were "doing nothing with" for awhile.

What I was trying to allude to, is that wins/losses aren't a very good indicator on talent. Nobody is saying that because he is losing, he's going to be a big star. That's ridiculous. He's got size, he is mobile, he's got charisma, and he's linked to one of the biggest heels in the company. One could definitely argue that they are definitely "doing something" with him right now in his current role.
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Alex Riley has survived a DUI, being technically "fired" from his position and a draft to remain on RAW aligned with The Miz. I'm really sorry, but if you don't think someone in the WWE sees dollar signs on the mans pores under a microscope, you're not looking at this right.

And personally, I've been very impressed with Riley. That spot at the Royal Rumble was indeed awesome, and Riley always puts himself in the right position and has some awesome facial expressions that actually don't steal the show -- but add something to it.

I'm very curious to see where things go with Riley. He seems like a natural heel, but this Miz/Riley stuff seems like it could lead to a break-up, no?
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I like A-Ri. Needs to step out of the Miz's shadow to show some depth and variety, but i think he can easily do that.
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You made a statement about how the WWE is doing nothing with him right now. I gave you an example as to why that isn't an accurate thing to go off of. Would you like more? I seem to remember a Deacon, a Dentist, and a Ringmaster who they were "doing nothing with" for awhile.

What I was trying to allude to, is that wins/losses aren't a very good indicator on talent. Nobody is saying that because he is losing, he's going to be a big star. That's ridiculous. He's got size, he is mobile, he's got charisma, and he's linked to one of the biggest heels in the company. One could definitely argue that they are definitely "doing something" with him right now in his current role.
I only mentioned WWE doing nothing with him as a reason why WWE doesn't "obviously see something in him" in response to someone else. Not as a reason why he will never amount to anything. Again... go back and read the posts first.
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Old 05-12-2011, 06:16 AM   #105
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Alex Riley has survived a DUI, being technically "fired" from his position and a draft to remain on RAW aligned with The Miz. I'm really sorry, but if you don't think someone in the WWE sees dollar signs on the mans pores under a microscope, you're not looking at this right.
So... him "surviviing" being "drafted" from Raw to Smackdown to remain on Raw aligned with The Miz means something to you.

You realize the draft isn't real, right? lol. He was written to be drafted over to Smackdown. It wasn't like there was some crazy draft that messed up WWE's plans and they were like "Fuck it! This man's a star! We're gonna keep him on Raw aligned with The Miz dammit!!!"

Just the fact that you alluded to him "surviving a draft to remain on Raw aligned with The Miz" just... I don't even know what to say about that. Jesus Christ. lol
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Old 05-12-2011, 06:21 AM   #106
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Also, I could say the same about him being "technically fired" from his position. Again... you realize it was a storyline. He wasn't ever actually fired. WWE didn't have to work around it to "keep him employed as Miz' apprentice". He didn't "survive" anything. Seriously. This is all proving my point of people wanting to add significance to someone and make a new "obvious future star."
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Old 05-12-2011, 07:21 AM   #107
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I think you guys are overrating him thoroughly, but I like him I guess.
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Old 05-12-2011, 07:30 AM   #108
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Old 05-12-2011, 10:34 AM   #109
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Old 05-12-2011, 10:41 AM   #110
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Old 05-12-2011, 10:48 AM   #111
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I still don't know who that Murphy guy is, but that picture tells me that Alex Riley is one thousand times better than him.
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Old 05-12-2011, 11:03 AM   #112
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Old 05-12-2011, 11:27 AM   #113
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I THINK he is a security guard on impact or something.
He was, then they inducted him into Immortal with all of the other classics, then they fired him last week after he lost an epic match to Rob Terry.
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Old 05-12-2011, 11:29 AM   #114
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Old 05-12-2011, 11:41 AM   #115
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A-Ri has got just as good in ring skills than a lot of the guys on the roster that have been there for a while, PLUS he has got really great mic skills for a rookie... Kid stays healthy, he is going places...
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Old 05-12-2011, 12:29 PM   #116
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Anyone who is doubting A-Ri's future stardom in WWE is just a mark, the guy is exactly what WWE wants to groom for the top. Also, he's pared with THE FUCKING MIZ aka John Cena #2, so get a fucking grip you idiots, Riley is here to stay and he will main event a PPV within the next year.
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Old 05-12-2011, 12:39 PM   #117
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Anyone who is doubting A-Ri's future stardom in WWE is just a mark, the guy is exactly what WWE wants to groom for the top. Also, he's pared with THE FUCKING MIZ aka John Cena #2, so get a fucking grip you idiots, Riley is here to stay and he will main event a PPV within the next year.
Lol. I'm guessing you don't see the irony in calling someone who has doubts about someone being a future star a mark...

But anyway, I've addressed the "But he's paired with THE MIZ!!! HE HAS TO BE A SUPERSTAR IN THE MAKING!!!" argument so many times in this thread. Being the lackey (Anyone who tries to call him anything more than a lackey at this point is a mark!!!) of The Miz does not mean ANYTHING when it comes to him being a superstar.
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Old 05-12-2011, 01:02 PM   #118
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I still don't know who that Murphy guy is, but that picture tells me that Alex Riley is one thousand times better than him.
Actually I'll give you that. Even though I hate Alex Riley and find nothing to cheer for about him, Murphy is 1000 times worse which is why he is listed as 1 haha. In terms of Khali yes he isn't a great wrestler, but you guys all have a guilty pleasure wrestler that you cheer even if he can't. Alot of it has to do with his size anyway. Khali has had at least three good matches. They were all triple threats yes, but they still count as good matches. In case you're wondering which ones the GAB 2007 one with Batista and Kane was entertaining at least and not as bad as people say, the one on RAW with Cena and Umaga in 2007, and the one with Batista and Mysterio at Unforgiven 2007. I can't believe this topic went three pages already. Do people really like Riley that much? I apologize for spoiling Impact for people, but I was sure people knew about results anyway on this site, especially the results of this week's show.
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Old 05-12-2011, 01:07 PM   #119
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I think I would like Khali if he had a really good manager and could atleast move in the ring. Everyone loves a good monster heel. But it's not even that he's just a bad wrestler. He CAN BARELY EVEN MOVE. People throw "worst wrestler ever" around jokingly a lot. I really think he may be though. Lawrence Taylor performed better than Khali has in his time in WWE. He is literally on the verge of being completely immobile. lol
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