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Old 11-30-2012, 08:10 PM   #41
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I agree that it was very likely the hottest angle of 2010.

Let's slow down a little of that "Of all time" thing though.

Hell there were at least 2 angles the following year alone that blew it out of the water.
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Old 11-30-2012, 08:12 PM   #42
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And I can also think of few angles that went from that hot to that cold that fast.
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And it definitely did sound like you were crediting Nexus for them being on the roster now. Every single one of them (outside Barrett maybe) required a change after the Nexus just to get noticed. Almost like being part of Nexus was a hindrance. None of them "got over" because of the Nexus (again, with Barrett probably being the exception). When you look at any of them now, tell me you actually think "Good thing this guy was in the Nexus! He's got a push now!" as opposed to "Holy fuck, how ridiculous is it to think that this guy main evented SummerSlam one year!?"

If you think the former, you're nuts. If you think the latter, that's probably a pretty big sign that Nexus didn't really do jack shit to help these guys in the long term.
Read what I fucking said. "It should be noted that almost everyone in the group is still featured on RAW quite regularly." That is a true statement. Deal with it, fan.

I definitely think that all the members of the Nexus did benefit from the group. As I said -- the members of Nexus got to work with some very talented and important people during their stint (even The Undertaker and Vince McMahon). It showcased what a lot of them could do. Prior to being in Nexus, Skip Sheffield was a comedy act. It was that group that highlighted just how intense he could be, and how stiff his fucking Lariat is. Justin Gabriel proved that he could fly around and be trusted to do so safely, and Heath Slater emerged as a non-flashy but reliable hand to keep things greased in the ring (a role he kept going post-Nexus and is now seemingly received something resembling a push for).

So while no member of the group rose up wearing the black and gold and became WWE Champion and headlined WrestleMania, I think you are missing the point -- it's not just about the superficial success of the group. It's about how it gave a lot of the guys six months on the main WWE roster in meaningful roles, working with top talent and its spin-off even giving Barrett, Slater & Gabriel things to do until July of the next year (although they arguably should have been given more).

As I said -- look at NXT Season 2. I like so much of the talent on that show, but what exactly are they doing? Kaval quit; Michael McGillicutty is talented in the ring but seems to have trouble finding an available role on RAW or SmackDown (and yes, he was a member of the Nexus, but I was talking about the original group); Husky Harris is finding his feet as Bray Wyatt; Percy Watson is fantastic but doing nothing; Alex Riley looked to be going good until an apparent backstage incident derailed his push; Eli Cottonwood is no longer with the company; Lucky Cannon is no longer with the company (and to be honest I forgot he existed). Titus O'Neil is the only guy from that show that can claim to having the success that 7/8 of the original Nexus can. Yet.

Now there are a lot of reasons for that, too; but the Nexus was more than just eight random guys beating the crap out of people. It was eight of the best in developmental being given a chance on the main roster in an interesting way, and it just so happens that seven of those original eight cast members can claim to be WWE mainstays now. Funny that, isn't it?
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Old 11-30-2012, 08:19 PM   #44
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I agree that it was very likely the hottest angle of 2010.

Let's slow down a little of that "Of all time" thing though.

Hell there were at least 2 angles the following year alone that blew it out of the water.
Which ones? Summer of Punk, yes. That's it.
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Read what I fucking said. "It should be noted that almost everyone in the group is still featured on RAW quite regularly." That is a true statement. Deal with it, fan.
Whoopty fucking doo! lol

What the fuck are you arguing then!?!?!?!?
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I said Nexus didn't get anyone over as they all fell off the map with the exception of Barrett and eventually got re-pushed based on other stuff that in no way required and in some cases required you to forget they were in Nexus.

And your response is "Yeah, but they're all on Raw quite regularly".

Point... Do you have one?
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Old 11-30-2012, 08:43 PM   #48
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The Nexus angle did go from hot to cold very fast, because the WWE was in a tough position. They had been booked into a corner -- how can these eight newbies beat eight "true" Superstars? A lot of people point to SummerSlam as a turning point for the group, and I can kind of see it now, although I do understand why the WWE put "Team WWE" over. But there were ways to book the Nexus to go over without hurting Team WWE.

Given how great he is at playing a heel, Daniel Bryan turning on the WWE after being brought back by John Cena would have been an interesting plot-line. It would give Cena tension with Bryan in the Nexus, specifically, but it also would have given The Miz "I told you so" ammo, and you could have still had Bryan beat The Miz for the US Title (his disagreements with The Miz would have been interesting enough to carry a mini-feud between the two).

Also, after they kicked out Darren Young, I feel that the WWE missed an opportunity by not having Young being the guy to help Wade Barrett beat John Cena at Hell in a Cell to earn Cena's services for the Nexus. The rules were that no Nexus member could interfere, and this is where Michael McGillicutty & Husky Harris made their affiliation with the group known. If it had been Darren Young, it would have brought another original member of the group back, and it would have made sense given it was Young's issues with Cena that led to him being kicked out of the group. Cena could have also been his redemption in Wade's eyes.

And then the last piece of booking that I felt hurt the Nexus was at Survivor Series. I don't think Barrett should have become WWE Champion that night, but I think he should have been absolutely blind-sided by Cena and DESTROYED in that match with Randy Orton. Keep in mind, Nexus were banned from this match, too. Cena could have attacked Barrett as it looked like he might have become champion, beaten him all around the ringside area, and Nexus would have just had to watch on monitors. Cena could have revealed that he could never dirty the WWE Championship like that, and his honour means more than his job. He's a big enough star to make money elsewhere.

A Nexus beat-down of Randy Orton could have led to The Miz cashing in (I can't remember if it did or not), and Miz vs. Orton vs. Barrett at TLC would have been a big enough match to carry that event. Cena could have shown up in the crowd with a ticket or something. The storyline of security not doing anything to stop Cena from jumping the barricade and beating up Barrett could have again been used here, and Miz could have beaten Orton to retain.

Now, I'm not sure where they would have gone from here. Perhaps a Nexus dominated Royal Rumble, with John Cena again coming out of the crowd to try and eliminate whatever members of the group he could? If Barrett had still helped Kane beat The Undertaker at Survivor Series, The Undertaker returning here and helping Cena take on The Nexus could have been a pretty big Rumble moment.

If you need other faces to keep The Miz busy, CM Punk would have been pretty great during this time. This was when he was hurt and absolutely tearing it up on commentary. You just keep him there for a bit longer, continue to win people over by merely being natural and entertaining, and you don't have him go after Cena when he is cleared. He helps out Cena, remembering that the Nexus attacked him during their debut, too.

I don't know -- there were plenty of ways to take the Nexus as a dominant force heading into WrestleMania. Blowing off Barrett vs. Cena with Cena beating Barrett really took the wind out of the sails, though.
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I said Nexus didn't get anyone over as they all fell off the map with the exception of Barrett and eventually got re-pushed based on other stuff that in no way required and in some cases required you to forget they were in Nexus.

And your response is "Yeah, but they're all on Raw quite regularly".

Point... Do you have one?
That the group produced a lot of successful members. Which it did.
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Yes. All but one of the guys in the group has a job on the main roster. So... that's that.

If that's all your trying to say, then clearly that's true. You obviously started the whole subject as a way of combatting my point that the LINK between them being in the Nexus and them being on the active roster is non-existent. It's right there. On the first page. Where the whole thing started. I listed how each guy almost had to separate themselves from the Nexus to get "over". Ryback becoming Ryback, D-Young getting his spot on the main roster SOLELY through NXT:Redemption, which came from being on the original NXT and would have happened anyway...
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I didn't start the subject to combat anything. I just brought it up as an observation. Yeah, you can see it as "that's that." But I do believe that the group had far more of a positive influence on these men's careers than you are giving it credit for.
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The Nexus angle did go from hot to cold very fast, because the WWE was in a tough position. They had been booked into a corner -- how can these eight newbies beat eight "true" Superstars?
As a separate matter here, this is the second time this week I've heard something like this about WWE "being booked into a corner" and being in a "tough position". It's a terrible excuse. The first was Monday when James Steele mentioned how the writers were fucked with the Jericho return because there wasn't really a way to make the cryptic videos and stuff be part of his character.

It's like you're excusing WWE because they couldn't figure out how to finish off an angle. They didn't get forced into making the angle in the first place. If they start and angle and then can't finish it well, it's not "Poor WWE. They had their hands tied and they were booked into a corner and there was nothing they could do really." It should be "Why the fuck would they start an angle in the first place that they can't figure out where they wanna go with it!?"

And I'm sure there are ways they could have worked both situations out. It may have taken a lot of creativity and a shitload of attention to detail. Ultimately though, starting an angle because you think it sounds good but not having any idea where to go once you start it seems to be a common thing within WWE lately and it's a shit way to go about writing. Not just pro wrestling but anything. There's no form of storytelling where that wouldn't be mind-blowingly idiotic.
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I listed how each guy almost had to separate themselves from the Nexus to get "over". Ryback becoming Ryback, D-Young getting his spot on the main roster SOLELY through NXT:Redemption, which came from being on the original NXT and would have happened anyway...
Don't be such a mark, fan -- you're better than that.
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I agree that corners shouldn't be painted into. I do understand why the logical conclusion of the Nexus getting steam-rolled by veterans wouldn't have been too appealing to people, either.
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lol. Where's the markishness? I'm speaking purely from a booking standpoint. Both those examples clearly require the guy to be separated from any link to the Nexus in order for them to get the TV time they have now.

It's like giving credit to the Spirit Squad for Dolph Ziggler being where he is now.
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lol. Where's the markishness? I'm speaking purely from a booking standpoint. Both those examples clearly require the guy to be separated from any link to the Nexus in order for them to get the TV time they have now.

It's like giving credit to the Spirit Squad for Dolph Ziggler being where he is now.
I actually agree with you in this statement, but the logic that Noid used for Nexus, he could apply the same thing to this and make a point. Not sure if I'd agree with that point legitimately but it would make sense.
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Yes but if we're applying it directly to the Nexus thing, the equivalent would be like me saying "The Spirit Squad didn't really do anything to help Dolph Ziggler's career" and the reply being "Well, he is featured regularly on Raw..."

While that one statement alone is obviously true, it doesn't show any correlation between the two.
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Yeah but he said before that being in that spot, they learned a lot, etc, and thats how he related it. It applies, its just kind of a stretch. I'm not saying I'd agree with it, but it definitely is a point thats possible to make, regardless of how much of a stretch it seems to be.
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The debut was great and I think might have started the push where every summer now has its big moment (Nexus in 10, Punk's pipebomb in 11, the AJ triangle in 12).

Barrett as the boss fit in nicely considering he was the winner of NXT and the useless challenges being referenced as a form of disrespect to everyone involved in the group.

Looking back, the biggest mistake was making it solely about Cena and removing members too quickly to the point it really weakened the group. Same for repeating the whole process when it was Orton's turn at destroying the group.

Cena joining Nexus and then being fired should have been mega moments but instead were wasted and just treated as a joke.
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