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Old 07-15-2013, 09:56 PM   #2161
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That could be said about any professional sport though. (unless that's your point)
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Cespedes is kind of good at hitting home runs.
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Also, good job America on showing why everyone still hates you.

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Ron the Dial thinks Chris Berman is wonderful during the all-star game.

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Some of those Cespedes shots were fucking ridiculous.
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Steve Delabar's story is amazing.

Broke his elbow in 09
Out of baseball in 2010. Was a sub teacher and coach. Played a game of softball and gave it another shot.
2013 he's a friggen all star. Delabar, McGowan and Cecil all used the weighted ball system in the off season. Check out their ERA's. All under 2.
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Manager of the year should be changed to "Manager that made a shitty team surprisingly competitive award."
Manager of the year is more of a joke than the gold gloves. The criteria seems to simply be "Which team over performed the most" except in the odd cases like Dusty Baker where you must be a good manager when your team has the Cy Young winner (Jason Schmidt) and league MVP (Barry Bonds).
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Old 07-16-2013, 12:29 AM   #2169
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That's a pretty serious allegation. Don't say things you can't take back!





(in all seriousness though Berman is the absolute worst)
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According to the Players Union, none of the upcoming bannings related to the Biogenesis clinic will be served this year and instead will only start for next season. Main reason is the appeals and arbitrator decision is expected to take several months making any ban issued this year a bit useless in enforcement.

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Old 07-16-2013, 04:05 PM   #2172
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Manager of the year is more of a joke than the gold gloves. The criteria seems to simply be "Which team over performed the most" except in the odd cases like Dusty Baker where you must be a good manager when your team has the Cy Young winner (Jason Schmidt) and league MVP (Barry Bonds).
Hate seeing the Torre's and Bobby Cox' of the world be overlooked continually for sustained excellence. In football Belichick is continually overlooked because every 3 years Marvin Lewis will "save his job" with a 9-7 record and get the award.
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Old 07-16-2013, 06:45 PM   #2173
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Hate seeing the Torre's and Bobby Cox' of the world be overlooked continually for sustained excellence. In football Belichick is continually overlooked because every 3 years Marvin Lewis will "save his job" with a 9-7 record and get the award.
I get what you're saying, but it's called "Manager of the YEAR", not "Lifetime Achievement Award".
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Harvey hits Cano in the knee and Cano limps off the field.

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I normally like good pitching, but through 6 innings this is just boring as hell.
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I get Leyland's thinking for putting Mo in now...but come on.
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For the first time in years I didn't watch the AllStar game. And I don't feel that bad, actually.
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I get what you're saying, but it's called "Manager of the YEAR", not "Lifetime Achievement Award".
Point taken, but I feel it's the easy way out to choose a Joe Girardi(Marlins)or Tony Pena(Royals) as MOtY. Because their teams weren't garbage they HAD to have the best managerial years? Sometimes, sure, it makes sense, but I feel most years it is a cop out.
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For the first time in years I did watch. Should I count it towards my total of games watched this year? I think that would bring the number to 7.
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Astros, Padres, and Cubs all had one rep make the All Star Team and none got into the actual game.

Oddly enough Bochy only used Posey from how own team. The other 3 Giants he had named to the team on his own (Bumgarner, Scutaro, and Romo) went unused, although Romo was warming up when Chapman appeared to be struggling.
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Old 07-17-2013, 08:51 AM   #2189
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I didn't watch the game either, but it wasn't for any lack of desire to or anything. Had PRIOR COMMITMENTS and was out of the house. Heard Prince got a triple though, woo!

It is funny to see Leyland mismanage his bullpen, even in the ASG. It's just like watching my Tigers play! Glad Mo got his recognition though, guy is a friggin' legend. So glad I got to see him pitch this season (first time), felt like that would've been a huge wasted opportunity if I never got the chance.
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I watched the whole thing but I did kinda stop caring after Harvey was done. When the NL had that huge losing streak I always watched to see if it would end, and the Mets have been right in contention in most of the years since they've rolled out the home field advantage rule so I always though "maybe it will help later" but this year they're so far out of it it doesn't really matter.

Glad Harvey pitched well and Wright got one of the few NL hits. Rivera was the highlight. I get why he was used in the 8th but still I kinda feel like Joe Nathan was reliable enough to not blow it in the 8th. I think if Greg Holland had put up a 1-2-3 inning in the 7th Leyland would have been comfortable enough using Nathan, Delabar, Cecil, etc to bridge the gap.

No matter, it was a great send off. It's no secret I hate the Yankees, but Mo is just insanely good at what he does and has never been anything less than a class act.
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Glad I missed the game. Completely forgot about it. Did watch some of the Derby though, which was probably more entertaining.
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Hate seeing the Torre's and Bobby Cox' of the world be overlooked continually for sustained excellence. In football Belichick is continually overlooked because every 3 years Marvin Lewis will "save his job" with a 9-7 record and get the award.
That "sustained excellence" has more to do with the teams their given to work with over what they actually bring to the table. Freddi Gonzalez seemingly has not had a problem "stepping in" to Cox's shoes and seeing success, much like Matheny stepping in for LaRussa, and Girardi for Torre.

Naming a Yankee manager Manager of the Year would be ridiculous 99% of the time. If they make the playoffs this year, I think there could be a strong argument made for Girardi considering the depleted roster he's had to run out there all year.

But naming a guy like Joe Torre, who walked into a winning situation with New York, and was given legitimately the best players in the game at the time, is ridiculous. There's not much for him to do other than write all of the studs on his roster into the lineup, and, more times than not, let them do their thing.
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Old 07-17-2013, 07:19 PM   #2193
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Uhhh if Yankees somehow scrape into a playoff spot this year Girardi should 100% be MotY (no offense to Francona or Farrell)
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I think Francona has the inside track, at the moment. Farrell shouldn't even be considered. He was given a team that featured Mike Napoli, Jacoby Ellsbury, Dustin Pedroia, Clay Buccholz, John Lester and David Ortiz. All sorts of talent on that roster.

Really, there's no real competition at the moment in the AL after Francona and Girardi.

If the Dodgers make the playoffs, I can see the narrative being spun into Donny baseball "saving his job" and galvanizing a ridiculously talented and expensive team into winning. Which would be dumb.

Clint Hurdle's a shoe in if the Pirates finish with a winning record. That team is near or at the bottom of damn near every statistical offensive category, and are getting ridiculous career years out Jeff Locke and Fransisco Liriano, on top of using the shit out of their bullpen. They finish above .500, it's Hurdle.
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I dunno, Dale Sveum has had nothing but shit on a plate. Shouldn't he win just for being forced to have Luis Valbuena hit leadoff this year or Joe Mather hitting third last year?

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I think Francona has the inside track, at the moment. Farrell shouldn't even be considered. He was given a team that featured Mike Napoli, Jacoby Ellsbury, Dustin Pedroia, Clay Buccholz, John Lester and David Ortiz. All sorts of talent on that roster.

Really, there's no real competition at the moment in the AL after Francona and Girardi.

If the Dodgers make the playoffs, I can see the narrative being spun into Donny baseball "saving his job" and galvanizing a ridiculously talented and expensive team into winning. Which would be dumb.

Clint Hurdle's a shoe in if the Pirates finish with a winning record. That team is near or at the bottom of damn near every statistical offensive category, and are getting ridiculous career years out Jeff Locke and Fransisco Liriano, on top of using the shit out of their bullpen. They finish above .500, it's Hurdle.
Disagree with the Farrell part since he's done a great job in revitalizing the pitching which has been a huge sore spot for the Red Sox the past few years. They were predicted to finish dead last this year in the AL East and instead have the best record so far.

He's the same as Giradi where you consider them as options but shouldn't win it in the end. Giradi has just as much star power on his team but just so happens they are performing worse than last year. To give Giradi the award and not consider Farrell as a legit choice for doing the same would be a pretty bad decision.

Right now I think the real race is between Francona, Bob Melvin, and Joe Maddon for the AL.
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So happy Cecil and Delabar got into the game and both struckout their batters. I think Leyland recognized that this will probably be their one and only all-star game.
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That "sustained excellence" has more to do with the teams their given to work with over what they actually bring to the table. Freddi Gonzalez seemingly has not had a problem "stepping in" to Cox's shoes and seeing success, much like Matheny stepping in for LaRussa, and Girardi for Torre.

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But naming a guy like Joe Torre, who walked into a winning situation with New York, and was given legitimately the best players in the game at the time, is ridiculous. There's not much for him to do other than write all of the studs on his roster into the lineup, and, more times than not, let them do their thing.
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Whoever wins the World Series should be manager of the year. A couple of years ago when the Cards played the Brewers, I thought for sure the Brewers were going to win. They had the better team. Then LaRussa ran circles around Roenoke. I used to subscribe to the view that the managers don't really win games until I saw that series. Now I think they're quite important in the playoffs.
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Managerial move that stands out was Lou Pinella around 2009 I wanna say. Cards had lefty, righty, lefty due up and Lou only had one lefty in the pen (Sean Marshal). So he brings Marshal in for the first batter, then pulls his leftfielder and moves Marshal out into left while he brings in another reliever, then puts Marshal back to pitch and brings in a normal position player in left for the third batter.

I dunno, you don't see that everyday so its always stuck out. Sounds like something Ozzie Guillen doesn't even know he can do.
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