The Walking Dead / Fear The Walking Dead / World Beyond

[Impeccable]

Originally Posted by mitchables in some ways i kind of envy the people who do not read the comic, because i didn't get any of that uncertainty when i saw the governor bring out michonne and herschel. i knew exactly how it was going to play out, even if the show swapped out tyreese for herschel. so i guess in some ways you do lose a bit of that excitement and "will they/won't they survive" drama, i guess

Yeah, admittedly I've not read the comics. That's an interesting observation.

How closely have the series followed the comics? Are there any glaring "that did not happen" moments from either?

[Sixx]

Originally Posted by Impeccable Yeah, admittedly I've not read the comics. That's an interesting observation. How closely have the series followed the comics? Are there any glaring "that did not happen" moments from either?

Not very closely.

For example

SPOILER: show

Shane died way earlier in the comics, baby Judith died along with Lori, there is no Daryl, Carl is missing an eye, Rick is missing a hand, etc.

[mitchables]

Originally Posted by Impeccable Yeah, admittedly I've not read the comics. That's an interesting observation. How closely have the series followed the comics? Are there any glaring "that did not happen" moments from either?

yeah, as sixx said, it's been kind of wildly variable in how closely it follows the comics.

the pacing is very different, especially moreso earlier on, but it seems to have shifted more in favour of the tv show catching up now. there was no way they were going to make it at the pace season one went.

major differences and spoilers so far (at least one of sixx's wouldn't have happened in the show anyway yet given when it happens in the comic) in the books...

SPOILER: show

- shane dies a whole lot quicker
- dale dies a whole lot later (and in a very different, far more badass manner - i think that character got cheated on the show)
- there is no t-dogg (or 99% of the original group - andrea, amy, rick, dale, carl, shane, lori, carol and sophia are the only book characters at the outset. most of the other characters they have since encountered are from the books or pastiches of several characters from the books).
- there is no daryl (or merle - though i believe daryl is destined to make his debut in the comics soon, if he hasn't already)
- andrea is not yet dead
- sophia is not yet dead
- carol is long dead, and not at all from being sent from the group or anything like that; she kills herself at the prison by freely walking up to a biter the group had chained up in the courtyard for research. in fact, of all the show-book characters, carol probably is the most differently characterised.
- tyreese is decapitated by the governor in the comics, not herschel; herschel does die during the prison attack, but he is gunned down in cold blood (still by the governor), after witnessing his last living son get killed in the fight.
- tyreese also has an incredibly badass moment where he gets stuck in the prison gym with an outrageous number of zombies and the others fear he is dead but go back to save him eventually and he's just sitting there holding his hammer surrounded by dead zombies, which i don't think we're going to get, sadly
- lori does not die during pregnancy, but is rather killed during the governor's attack on the prison, shot from behind through the abdomen (while carrying judith, who also dies) with a shotgun
- just a buttload of kids are there that aren't in the show, and probably with good reason: there are these twin boys, one of whom is evil (naturally), two girls that get decapitated in the prison by an insane prisoner (who was also absent from the show), tyreese's daughter and her loony boyfriend, children fucking everywhere. which i guess they started to mitigate on the show with the new additions of late.
- the governor cuts off rick's hand (which is a fairly major plot/character development thing for rick, so idk if they're gonna end up doing that later or not)
- andrea never lived in woodbury as the governor's ensorcelled offsider

dunno, probably forgetting some, but that gives you a general idea of how closely or otherwise the show has followed the comics

so i mean, obviously there are still some surprises for me, but when there's a major set-piece - say, the attack on the prison - some of the faces might be different, but the overall vibe and major happenings remain. in fact, the end shot of the recent midseason finale, with the prison going up in smoke and rick and carl walking away, was pretty much ripped from the pages. it was kind of beautiful.

[Sixx]

Originally Posted by mitchables yeah, as sixx said, it's been kind of wildly variable in how closely it follows the comics. the pacing is very different, especially moreso earlier on, but it seems to have shifted more in favour of the tv show catching up now. there was no way they were going to make it at the pace season one went. major differences and spoilers so far (at least one of sixx's wouldn't have happened in the show anyway yet given when it happens in the comic) in the books... SPOILER: show - shane dies a whole lot quicker - dale dies a whole lot later (and in a very different, far more badass manner - i think that character got cheated on the show) - there is no t-dogg (or 99% of the original group - andrea, amy, rick, dale, carl, shane, lori, carol and sophia are the only book characters at the outset. most of the other characters they have since encountered are from the books or pastiches of several characters from the books). - there is no daryl (or merle - though i believe daryl is destined to make his debut in the comics soon, if he hasn't already) - andrea is not yet dead - sophia is not yet dead - carol is long dead, and not at all from being sent from the group or anything like that; she kills herself at the prison by freely walking up to a biter the group had chained up in the courtyard for research. in fact, of all the show-book characters, carol probably is the most differently characterised. - tyreese is decapitated by the governor in the comics, not herschel; herschel does die during the prison attack, but he is gunned down in cold blood (still by the governor), after witnessing his last living son get killed in the fight. - tyreese also has an incredibly badass moment where he gets stuck in the prison gym with an outrageous number of zombies and the others fear he is dead but go back to save him eventually and he's just sitting there holding his hammer surrounded by dead zombies, which i don't think we're going to get, sadly - lori does not die during pregnancy, but is rather killed during the governor's attack on the prison, shot from behind through the abdomen (while carrying judith, who also dies) with a shotgun - just a buttload of kids are there that aren't in the show, and probably with good reason: there are these twin boys, one of whom is evil (naturally), two girls that get decapitated in the prison by an insane prisoner (who was also absent from the show), tyreese's daughter and her loony boyfriend, children fucking everywhere. which i guess they started to mitigate on the show with the new additions of late. - the governor cuts off rick's hand (which is a fairly major plot/character development thing for rick, so idk if they're gonna end up doing that later or not) - andrea never lived in woodbury as the governor's ensorcelled offsider dunno, probably forgetting some, but that gives you a general idea of how closely or otherwise the show has followed the comics so i mean, obviously there are still some surprises for me, but when there's a major set-piece - say, the attack on the prison - some of the faces might be different, but the overall vibe and major happenings remain. in fact, the end shot of the recent midseason finale, with the prison going up in smoke and rick and carl walking away, was pretty much ripped from the pages. it was kind of beautiful.

SPOILER: show

As for Daryl, he hasn't debuted yet and I don't see it happenning, at least as long as Dwight is alive. Pretty sure Kirkman was pressured into promising him showing up, cause of TV Daryl's popularity, which I think is declining? For me, at least it is. Went from a badass loner to Rick's bottom bitch.
Funny story I've read is he promised the Image comics executives to introduce aliens later in the story just so they would let him through with a book about zombies, which they were sceptical about.

[mitchables]

Originally Posted by Sixx SPOILER: show As for Daryl, he hasn't debuted yet and I don't see it happenning, at least as long as Dwight is alive. Pretty sure Kirkman was pressured into promising him showing up, cause of TV Daryl's popularity, which I think is declining? For me, at least it is. Went from a badass loner to Rick's bottom bitch. Funny story I've read is he promised the Image comics executives to introduce aliens later in the story just so they would let him through with a book about zombies, which they were sceptical about.

SPOILER: show

funny, when the show started, i commented to jazz about how i thought daryl and merle were a split pastiche of abraham, dunno if dwight had arrived at that point. kind of struck me as similar characters; so i wonder, as well, how abraham will be portrayed on the show, because he definitely had an air of the dixon bros about him. was also one of my favourite characters, was gutted when he bit it.

i personally still really like daryl; think he has undergone a great deal of growth. i definitely see where you are coming from, but he is no less badass when it comes to crunch time, really.