State Your Case: Why do think TNA and WWE are good/bad?

[Bobo]

But taking the thread back on track, another bad point about the wwe is the distinct lack of genuine top superstar I mean let's analyse;

John Cena- the only true top superstar. The big guy, who is loved and loathed in equal measure but more loved than loathed. One of the few to truly transcend wrestling and IMO ranks amongst the all time greats perhaps even the top 5.

CM Punk- almost on the level of Cena but not quite the big transcending superstar. Great charisma and in ring skills. All round talented guy and one of the best technical wrestlers of all time alongside Bret Hart and Chris Benoit and perhaps Kurt Angle too.


Randy Orton- much like HHH only got to where he is because of who knew and who he is. Otherwise where else except in the WWE or pro wrestling could a crack cocaine addict and AWOL marine get to the top of his profession? How many wellness policy violations has he had?

Rey Mysterio's career fizzled out long time ago mainly due to his injuries and the fact that his performances have become tedious. Del Rio plays a great heel and makes you laugh but other than that. Sheamus isn't bad when he isn't injured. Wade Barrett had potential but now they've just ruined the character though I did chuckle when that podium popped up lol I'm dirty minded.

Otherwise Big Show has been irrelevant for ten years now. Khali is only around in order to increase ethnic diversity. Jack swagger and dolphin Ziggler were pushed way too early and too fast. Kofi Kingston and R truth will never be main event players.

Ryback, Brodus Clay, Tensai.......what a load of bollocks.

Big E Langston isn't too bad. Mark Henry is just fat.

Fandango is like Disco Inferno's long lost brother and he gets more ridiculous as the weeks go by.

Bray Wyatt has huge potential IMO but the pg rating prevents his creepy and sadistic, psychotic character being used to the maximum effect.


Oh yeah Brock Lesnar whenever he is around. Shame to see Kane reduced to nothing more than an on screen lackey.

The Shield remind me of Aces and Eights and that was a load of crap too.

The bull fighter guys primo and epico, crap. Usos, crap.

Divas division doesn't get the push or respect it deserves. Tamina Snuka and Kaitlyn and Aj Lee the only shining lights to be fair. Maybe Natalya. Sorely miss Beth Phoenix and Eve and Kelly Kelly. Heck even Lisa Marie Varon and Gail Kim but we'll never see them in the WWE again. Lita too.

[whiteyford]

Originally Posted by Bobo Randy Orton- much like HHH only got to where he is because of who knew and who he is.

Really don't think being the son of Cowboy Bob has all that much sway or we'd have be watching David Flair against Sammartino's kid in the main event of 'Mania.

[Bobo]

Originally Posted by whiteyford Really don't think being the son of Cowboy Bob has all that much sway or we'd have be watching David Flair against Sammartino's kid in the main event of 'Mania.

I'm sure it counted for something. Orton did have his own skill set but he hardly set the world on fire and unless there's some bout of Orton mania set to come, he will hardly be remembered as one of the greats.

David Flair was given major pushes in both WCW and WWE programming but it turned out the guy had absolutely no shred of talent.

I know nothing about Sammartino's kid so can't comment.

But I doubt Cody Rhodes, Goldust, Curtis Axel, Natalya and Tamina Snuka would have amounted to much had it not been for the families they were born into. It's a bit like legacy admissions at Harvard or the old boys network at Cambridge.

Even Dwayne milked his wrestling heritage to the max as reflected in his stage name.

There's no truly decent talent left in the WWE anymore.

[Sexton-Hardcastle]

Originally Posted by Bobo There's no truly decent talent left in the WWE anymore.

Are you Autistic or something?

[Bobo]

Originally Posted by Sexton-Hardcastle Are you Autistic or something?

Beats being an inbred like you.

[whiteyford]

Originally Posted by Bobo I'm sure it counted for something.

No, again you're ignoring what you said, which is a stupidly grand sweeping statement, and arguing from a different stance, you said he wouldn't get anywhere not that it counted for something. Being a second generation star only gives you a chance to stand out by opening the doors sooner, it doesn't guarantee success, or Erik Watts would be running the industry.

[Bobo]

Originally Posted by whiteyford No, again you're ignoring what you said, which is a stupidly grand sweeping statement, and arguing from a different stance, you said he wouldn't get anywhere not that it counted for something. Being a second generation star only gives you a chance to stand out by opening the doors sooner, it doesn't guarantee success, or Erik Watts would be running the industry.

How on Earth was it a sweeping statement? My point was by virtue of their family connections, Dwayne Johnson, Cody Rhodes and randy Orton all got easier opportunities than the average wrestler who had to slog it out from the bottom up. Obviously the rock was a very talented wrestler and charismatic individual and clearly has talents beyond the ring, he may well have made it had he not come from such a wrestling pedigree. I guess the same could be said for Bret Hart.

But you can't deny the fact Triple H isn't enjoying the fruits of his marriage into the McMahon family. His best days in the ring have been behind him for some time and if it wasn't for his association with the Kliq, HBK and now the McMahon family as I said before he'd be back in Canada running a stable or doing comic convention appearances.

RVD was certainly the much better in ring performer combining his wrestling skills with martial arts and the stunts he did.