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Old 10-12-2015, 03:49 PM   #1
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lol 2 of those matches you listed were him being pinned or submitted. 2. And some of them he didn't even lose at all...

If that's your evidence that his reign was remotely comparable to Rollins, I think my point is proven.
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Old 10-12-2015, 07:24 PM   #2
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lol 2 of those matches you listed were him being pinned or submitted. 2. And some of them he didn't even lose at all...

If that's your evidence that his reign was remotely comparable to Rollins, I think my point is proven.
So HHH dropping the strap to Vince is "HHH was booked like a killer" and Rollins losing to Cena is "burrrrrrrrried"?
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Old 10-12-2015, 08:42 PM   #3
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So HHH dropping the strap to Vince is "HHH was booked like a killer" and Rollins losing to Cena is "burrrrrrrrried"?
A) HHH dropping the strap to Vince was a huge markout moment... in part because the guy didn't lose constantly. (Also, I could easily argue Vince is way more credible than JAMIE FUCKING NOBLE.)

B) If you're still gonna argue Rollins losing to Cena as if people are arguing that that's the problem, you're making it pretty clear that you're just avoiding the actual argument so that you're not put in a position to defend it. I mean... your examples of HHH "jobbing like Rollins" made that pretty clear already but if you're gonna keep arguing the Rollins losing to Cena strawman (Goddammit, Kane Knight) after the words "Rollins losing to Cena isn't the problem" has literally been said to you already, it's pretty telling...
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Old 10-12-2015, 09:14 PM   #4
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A) HHH dropping the strap to Vince was a huge markout moment... in part because the guy didn't lose constantly. (Also, I could easily argue Vince is way more credible than JAMIE FUCKING NOBLE.)

B) If you're still gonna argue Rollins losing to Cena as if people are arguing that that's the problem, you're making it pretty clear that you're just avoiding the actual argument so that you're not put in a position to defend it. I mean... your examples of HHH "jobbing like Rollins" made that pretty clear already but if you're gonna keep arguing the Rollins losing to Cena strawman (Goddammit, Kane Knight) after the words "Rollins losing to Cena isn't the problem" has literally been said to you already, it's pretty telling...
Losing to the top face in the territory is never a step back.

Losing your title as a new champion who didnt beat the top guy for the belt to a non wrestler who is 20 years older than you is a step back.
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if you're gonna keep arguing the Rollins losing to Cena strawman (Goddammit, Kane Knight) after the words "Rollins losing to Cena isn't the problem" has literally been said to you already, it's pretty telling...
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Losing to the top face in the territory is never a step back.

Losing your title as a new champion who didnt beat the top guy for the belt to a non wrestler who is 20 years older than you is a step back.
Jesus Christ. In the very next post??? lol
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A) HHH dropping the strap to Vince was a huge markout moment... and norman was there.
Rollins is now 19 percent to tying pedro. 70 percent of the way to jbl
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Its not my fault your argument is built on a house of cards. Dont get sad now that you're painted into a corner.

Your hypothesis is that Owens is ruined because he lost 2 matches to Cena. By your own admission Rock only got one win in 8 matches vs Austin. From what I can tell Rock is still a pretty big draw.

Could be that talent wins out in the end.
Wrong.

I never said Owen is ruined. I never said it was due to losing to Cena twice.

I questioned whether it was smart for them to have 4 matches in the span on 1 month. Rock and Austin had 8 matches in 3 years. And your example was of two outstanding indivuals, not all that comparable.

Is Owens ruined? No. Do I think he could be more valuable than he is right now? Absolutely. Do I think there could still be value in a Owens vs. Cena programme if they'd not burned through it in a month? Yeah.

You're the one comparing Owens to The Rock. Which is a little unfair.
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The bottom line is Owens was set up better long term by working that program with Cena. You should ask him yourself how he feels about it.

Just don't complain for the sake of complaining. This was an example of WWE elevating a talent right off the bat. If you think the Cena program did more harm than good, you don't get it.
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