Raw rating lowest since July 2012

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by hb2k So CyNick didnt answer a single point I made. Look at it his way. My outlook isn't negative, its realistic. Social media doesn't mean shit for WWE and the rating is down. But I enjoy so much about the world of wrestling and WWE, and with doing the podcast I love wrestling maybe more than ever because we get so many different opinions of so many different topics that its fascinating to me. But I'm also well aware that fans like us here on a forum are the minority. And if the crowds were going wild for the current stuff, you'd be right to tell me to get over it and move on. But we're in the middle of either a transitional point in storylines, or, as it feels to a lot of people clearly, at a stage where there just isnt a lot to be excited about until Rumble time when things will be important again.

People consume entertainment online, dont know if you heard. That is clear from the WWEs wildly successful social media numbers. If social media doesn't matter why does just about every company engage in it? Who told you social media means shit to WWE? You sound like another negative Nelly with a podcsst that I know. You don't see WWEs internal data on how social media impacts their other revenue streams, yet you make a blanket statement about how it doesn't mean shit. You would think someone with a podcast would automatically understand the business aspects of WWE.

The WWE You Tube page shows various clips from WWE shows, and at the end guess what it promotes? A little thing called the WWE Network. Do you know how many people watched those clips and decided to order WWE Network? I'll answer for you, you have no idea. You read some 4 point newsletter and think you understand how WWEs revenue streams work. Its hilarious to me.

If you enjoy sorts entertainment then great, but you, and just about everyone on this sad sad place sound like you hate it. Maybe change your podcast to something you are excited about. I mean that's just me. I would never want to spend so much time on something I'm not enjoying like you guys do. But if you enjoy it, that's cool too.

[Savio]

Originally Posted by The CyNick If you enjoy sorts entertainment then great, but you, and just about everyone on this sad sad place sound like you hate it. Maybe change your podcast to something you are excited about. I mean that's just me. I would never want to spend so much time on something I'm not enjoying like you guys do. But if you enjoy it, that's cool too.

Maybe he enjoys other shows like NXT, ROH, CHW, TNA, or NJPW

[hb2k]

Originally Posted by The CyNick People consume entertainment online, dont know if you heard. That is clear from the WWEs wildly successful social media numbers. If social media doesn't matter why does just about every company engage in it? Who told you social media means shit to WWE? You sound like another negative Nelly with a podcsst that I know. You don't see WWEs internal data on how social media impacts their other revenue streams, yet you make a blanket statement about how it doesn't mean shit. You would think someone with a podcast would automatically understand the business aspects of WWE.

Actually I did in the last post and you chose to ignore it. Any time they chose not to plug Lesnar on TV but did on Twitter, it meant nothing for ratings. And, as I said before and you ignored, the only place they plugged Steve Austins first Raw in 4 years was Twitter, and it did a 2.2. So how does that work for them?

Originally Posted by The CyNick WWE You Tube page shows various clips from WWE shows, and at the end guess what it promotes? A little thing called the WWE Network. Do you know how many people watched those clips and decided to order WWE Network? I'll answer for you, you have no idea. You read some 4 point newsletter and think you understand how WWEs revenue streams work. Its hilarious to me.

I know how many subscribers they have because they announce them. Of course I don't know YouTube conversion, and neither do you, its completely speculative. But ratings and house shows being down, and the Network being below what they have always said their original break even point is, while their social media is high doesnt correlate. I don't need to read a newsletter to figure that out, thats common sense.

Originally Posted by The CyNick If you enjoy sorts entertainment then great, but you, and just about everyone on this sad sad place sound like you hate it. Maybe change your podcast to something you are excited about. I mean that's just me. I would never want to spend so much time on something I'm not enjoying like you guys do. But if you enjoy it, that's cool too.

Maybe you should learn to read. Multiple times I've said I am loving following wrestling, and my initial post you jumped on I didnt even hint that I wasnt, I simply made an observation about how the WWE doesnt react to ratings much the way they used to, and it shows how much wrestling has changed. You completely misinterpreted the point, as you constantly have in this thread. Savio above me clearly understands, as have others. You're jumping to conclusions that everybody is negative, when it isnt hating everything the WWE does to make a post in a wrestling forum that the lowest rating in 18 years isnt a good thing.

[The CyNick]

You're trying to change the argument.

You said social media means shit. Which I know where you got that idea from but you won't admit it. Aside from that you made the fair point that advertising Austin's return solely on social media didn't bump television ratings. But I never argued that it would. What I think it BS is stating social media doesnt mean shit to WWE. Without access to WWE internal data you would have no idea about what benefits WWE gets from their highly successful activities on social media. Would television ratings have been higher if they promoted Austin on TV, maybe a little, but maybe the shock will have an impact down the road. Either way its irrelevant to the point that "social media means shit".

As for The Network, it's increasing year over year. In business when you start a new venture you expect losses at first, but long term it pays off. The Network is still in its infancy. From a revenue perspective they are futher ahead now vs pre network with just ppv. Again, my earlier post was just tying the fact that social media likely does not "mean shit" to the success of the Network growth.

As for your enjoyment of the product, I believe most people here like wrestling more than they let on. I think you fall into the category of people who like to cater to the negative crowd who want to spend 3 hours a week watching RAW and then get together and go this is shit. My belief is you enjoy it, but to be a cool kid in the IWC podcast world you have to be negative like your overlords who you try to emulate.

But I could be way off. I'll give your podcast a listen and see if any of your arguments sound familiar.