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Old 11-23-2015, 10:27 AM   #1
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I'm pretty sure that's how most of us feel. We can argue whether or not Booker should have won in any scenario no matter what, but it's just really shoddy storytelling to basically tell the dude that he won't win the belt because he's black and then go out and prove it. At least if they avoided the race angle and Booker just put up a good fight in defeat, it wouldn't have felt insulting.

What's worse is Triple H went on record and said that people mistinterpreted the Booker T angle. "You people" was meant to be a slight on WCW alumni. Suuuuuuuure.
I hear you, I just don't think it's s big issue. Like I said, the angle did no damage to Booker. He is who he is, he is a upper mid card guy. To me he in no way deserved to beat Hunter, no matter what the storyline.

If Booker's career would have been ruined by not rising up for black people, I would understand the criticism. But that didn't happen, he went on to become even more popular. So I would say WWE did the right thing with .
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Old 11-25-2015, 01:27 PM   #2
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I hear you, I just don't think it's s big issue. Like I said, the angle did no damage to Booker. He is who he is, he is a upper mid card guy. To me he in no way deserved to beat Hunter, no matter what the storyline.

If Booker's career would have been ruined by not rising up for black people, I would understand the criticism. But that didn't happen, he went on to become even more popular. So I would say WWE did the right thing with .
Dude. Hunter disparraged him for being black and insinuated that he would never win the WWE Championship because he is black. Then Triple H beat him and Booker T indeed never won the WWE Championship. What aren't you getting about how ridiculous and fucked up that is? I mean, it is insane to the point of being comical.

I'm not saying he would have been the greatest of all time and that he NEEDED to win under all circumstances. But if you are going to turn the storyline racial and have Triple H claim that Booker is a lesser talent because of his skin color (which he did do), then Triple H winning is reinforcing the point of white racial superiority. There's no real way around that. That is essentially what they did. It was such an odd and fairly insulting way for a WM match to end.

And there is no argument. It was racially charged. He meant "you people" as black people. Him backtracking and saying he was referring to WCW guys is absurd. He handed him a dollar. Why would he possibly do that if it was meant to be about people in WCW? There was most definitely racial and socioeconomic undertones. (I dont think youre denying it, it was just brought up earlier)
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Old 11-26-2015, 02:31 PM   #3
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Dude. Hunter disparraged him for being black and insinuated that he would never win the WWE Championship because he is black. Then Triple H beat him and Booker T indeed never won the WWE Championship. What aren't you getting about how ridiculous and fucked up that is? I mean, it is insane to the point of being comical.

I'm not saying he would have been the greatest of all time and that he NEEDED to win under all circumstances. But if you are going to turn the storyline racial and have Triple H claim that Booker is a lesser talent because of his skin color (which he did do), then Triple H winning is reinforcing the point of white racial superiority. There's no real way around that. That is essentially what they did. It was such an odd and fairly insulting way for a WM match to end.

And there is no argument. It was racially charged. He meant "you people" as black people. Him backtracking and saying he was referring to WCW guys is absurd. He handed him a dollar. Why would he possibly do that if it was meant to be about people in WCW? There was most definitely racial and socioeconomic undertones. (I dont think youre denying it, it was just brought up earlier)
Its not rediculous because a guy like Booker is inferior to a guy like Hunter. I personally don't like including race in an angle, but WWE did. Doesn't mean you need to change the direction. Money was in Hunter being built up with Evolution for Goldberg to conquer. Which is what happened. If Booker would have won, you lessen the impact of Goldberg's win.

Like I said before. If Booker's loss was such a big deal, why did he still go on to have success? You would think the fans would just give up on him and he would be out of the WWE within 6 months. He ended fine from the loss. This issue is something created by the IWC, it's not a real issue.

I don't know why you're hammering home the race point, I never disputed the feud had race as a tie in. Just saying I don't think you put over Booker just because he's the colored guy in the feud.
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Old 11-26-2015, 02:34 PM   #4
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Its not rediculous because a guy like Booker is inferior to a guy like Hunter. I personally don't like including race in an angle, but WWE did. Doesn't mean you need to change the direction. Money was in Hunter being built up with Evolution for Goldberg to conquer. Which is what happened. If Booker would have won, you lessen the impact of Goldberg's win.

Like I said before. If Booker's loss was such a big deal, why did he still go on to have success? You would think the fans would just give up on him and he would be out of the WWE within 6 months. He ended fine from the loss. This issue is something created by the IWC, it's not a real issue.

I don't know why you're hammering home the race point, I never disputed the feud had race as a tie in. Just saying I don't think you put over Booker just because he's the colored guy in the feud.
I think you're listening to people to respond, and not to understand. This reply right here is a really big example.
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Old 11-26-2015, 02:45 PM   #5
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I think you're listening to people to respond, and not to understand. This reply right here is a really big example.
No its not. I responded to everything he brought up.
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Old 11-26-2015, 03:33 PM   #6
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2. Sting served his purpose. Long term money was building up a match between Hunter and Rollins. Having Hunter lose to someone like Sting would have hurt the money match.
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Its not rediculous because a guy like Booker is inferior to a guy like Hunter. I personally don't like including race in an angle, but WWE did. Doesn't mean you need to change the direction. Money was in Hunter being built up with Evolution for Goldberg to conquer. Which is what happened. If Booker would have won, you lessen the impact of Goldberg's win.
only they did change direction because all throughout the build, Booker was scheduled to go over until Hunter got the kibosh put on it not long before Mania. And Goldberg hadn't even signed a deal, let alone debuted when they started building towards WM 19.
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Old 11-26-2015, 03:41 PM   #7
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only they did change direction because all throughout the build, Booker was scheduled to go over until Hunter got the kibosh put on it not long before Mania. And Goldberg hadn't even signed a deal, let alone debuted when they started building towards WM 19.
Didn't Goldberg debut right after Mania?

Even if it's true that Booker was set to go over at Mania (would be good if you had a quote from Vince to back up this claim), perhaps when they learned Goldberg would be signed, it changed the booking for Mania. Which would make perfect sense because Booker isn't on the level of Goldberg in terms of star power. So you should build to the bigger match.
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