RAW - B Show - OFFICIAL THREAD 1.2.17

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by BigCrippyZ Anyone with half a brain would've seen it coming from a mile away as soon as Bryan was put in the Rumble match in December. You don't take your #1 or #2 babyface (second maybe to Cena) at the time, who is coming back from injury, put him in the Rumble and have him lose the Rumble because you have some new jacked up toy (Reigns) who you (incorrectly) believe will be a bigger star. At the very least, if Bryan doesn't win the Rumble, you find a way to put him in the WM main event that year. This whole mistake was easily forseeable and Reigns' failure lies strictly with Vince McMahon and his own arrogance and/or delusions.

The arrogance that made him the most successful person in his industry? Yeah, probably shouldn't trust that guy's opinion.

Check out my previous post about Bryan's heath. It will address your lack of understanding of the situation.

[BigCrippyZ]

Originally Posted by The CyNick The arrogance that made him the most successful person in his industry? Yeah, probably shouldn't trust that guy's opinion.

What industry is that exactly? Television? Or is it movies? Or is it the entertainment industry? Regardless, he's not the most successful person in any of those industries.

It's certainly not professional wrestling. Vince isn't in the professional wrestling industry. He routinely insists so himself.

Nor is it "sports entertainment" because that's not an actual industry. It's a term he created so he could claim industry superiority while being able to differentiate himself from the competitors in his actual industry (pro wrestling) and attempt to be taken seriously by those who actually are leaders in the television, movie and entertainment industries he so desperately wants to be a part of.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by BigCrippyZ What industry is that exactly? Television? Or is it movies? Or is it the entertainment industry? Regardless, he's not the most successful person in any of those industries. It's certainly not professional wrestling. Vince isn't in the professional wrestling industry. He routinely insists so himself. Nor is it "sports entertainment" because that's not an actual industry. It's a term he created so he could claim industry superiority while being able to differentiate himself from the competitors in his actual industry (pro wrestling) and attempt to be taken seriously by those who actually are leaders in the television, movie and entertainment industries he so desperately wants to be a part of.

He's had multiple shows in the top ten of cable ratings every week for nearly 20 years. How many people in the TV industry can claim that? Keep swinging kid.

[BigCrippyZ]

Originally Posted by The CyNick He's had multiple shows in the top ten of cable ratings every week for nearly 20 years. How many people in the TV industry can claim that? Keep swinging kid.

I can think of at least 10 off the top of my head, but I actually work daily in film, music and television and advise numerous execs, creators, producers and talent.

You said he is "the most successful person in his industry." He's not, at least not in the television production/creation side. In pro wrestling, sure, he's top dog, but like he says, he's not in the pro wrestling industry.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by BigCrippyZ I can think of at least 10 off the top of my head, but I actually work daily in film, music and television and advise numerous execs, creators, producers and talent. You said he is "the most successful person in his industry." He's not, at least not in the television production/creation side. In pro wrestling, sure, he's top dog, but like he says, he's not in the pro wrestling industry.

You can name ten episodic storyline driven shows that have been top ten in prime time cable for 20 plus years? Curious to see the list.

Also even if you do have a list, it's still impressive, and Vince would be considered very successful at producing content.

His industry is sports entertainment, for which he has been King for decades. He also competes in the broader entertainment industry, of which he's not the King, but he's very very successful at it.

[BigCrippyZ]

Originally Posted by The CyNick You can name ten episodic storyline driven shows that have been top ten in prime time cable for 20 plus years? Curious to see the list.

No, but per your original question (that you're now changing, i.e., running from like a bitch) I can name 10 people in the TV industry who have had multiple shows in the top ten of cable ratings every week for nearly 20 years.

Just for your own reference, here's your original claim:

Originally Posted by The CyNick He's had multiple shows in the top ten of cable ratings every week for nearly 20 years. How many people in the TV industry can claim that? Keep swinging kid.

Either you're an idiot who lacks comprehension skills or you're just a complete douchebag troll. Or maybe it's both. Yep, most likely both.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by BigCrippyZ No, but per your original question (that you're now changing, i.e., running from like a bitch) I can name 10 people in the TV industry who have had multiple shows in the top ten of cable ratings every week for nearly 20 years. Just for your own reference, here's your original claim: Either you're an idiot who lacks comprehension skills or you're just a complete douchebag troll. Or maybe it's both. Yep, most likely both.

When talking about shows, clearly I was referring to similar shows, which are episodic in nature. You could say there are a bunch of soaps that have been around way longer than RAW or SDL, but they are not in prime time, so not really a fair comparison. I'm sure there are some news or sports programs that have been on for decades, but those are not episodic, so completely different beast. I would the closest show to Vince's success with RAW and SDL is The Simpsons. I would also throw SNL in there, even though it's not episodic, they still have to create new characters every week. Of course SNL is not in prime time and has very little competition in its timeslot.

Regardless of your blind hatred for Vince, anyone with a brain can recognize he's in elite company when it comes to success creating TV content.

As for sports entertainment vs pro wrestling that's really semantics from Vince, he wanted to rebrand his industry to differentiate himself from his competition and make them seem inferior. Regardless, it's all one industry, and Vince has ruled it pretty much from day one.

[BigCrippyZ]

Originally Posted by The CyNick His industry is sports entertainment, for which he has been King for decades. He also competes in the broader entertainment industry, of which he's not the King, but he's very very successful at it.

"Sports entertainment" is not an industry. Television, film, music, entertainment, sports, pro wrestling, those are actual industries with multiple entities competing against one another. "Sports entertainment" is a phrase made up by Vince for two reasons: 1. an attempt to sidestep the fact that the pro wrestling industry has a stigma attached to it, and 2. Vince's inability to be acknowledged and included with the creative and business elites in the larger entertainment industry.

If you want to claim that Vince works in the pro wrestling or entertainment industries, that's fine with me. He's definitely not the most successful person in the entertainment industry though, as you so incorrectly and ignorantly claimed.

Sure, you can say he's the most successful person in the pro wrestling industry. The problem is, Vince desperation to be acknowledged and included with the creative and business elites in the entertainment industry, he's repeatedly claimed he's not in, and has no interest in, the pro wrestling industry.

Now Vince can claim "superiority" over the "sports entertainment" industry. The sad part is, much like a child, you're naive and ignorant enough that you actually fell for and believe the con he's been selling to you.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by BigCrippyZ Now Vince can claim "superiority" over the "sports entertainment" industry. The sad part is, much like a child, you're naive and ignorant enough that you actually fell for and believe the con he's been selling to you.

Which con is that? That he rebranded his industry because he feels "pro wrestling" had a bad rap? He can call it the Vince's Oily Men in Tights" industry, we all know what it is. He is the King. Is you point that because he doesn't like the term pro wrestling, he can't be seen as the King of the industry?

As I said before, swing and a miss pal.