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Old 08-27-2017, 10:42 PM   #1
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Cena was not great by many metrics. Television ratings, PPV buys, etc. For a top babyface, he really didn't move the needle much, or however you want to express it. But they've invested so much into him now, and now he is actually great enough, that when they don't have him they are in much worse shape. It was a very co-dependent relationship that Cena is starting to outgrow.

I think the biggest credit to Cena is how the company sort of restructured around him. They shifted into a PG era, and have expanded to dip their hands into all these other different pots. If it pays off for them, Cena is likely going to be remembered as the guy that held the fort during those growing pains.

But I don't think you can argue against Cena being bad for immediate business when he was initially pushed.
The move to PG wasn't all Cena...it was Benoit, plus Linda running for U.S. Senate as well.
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Old 08-28-2017, 03:15 AM   #2
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The move to PG wasn't all Cena...it was Benoit, plus Linda running for U.S. Senate as well.
They weren't anchors on WWE programming though. Cena has been the top star of the PG era -- there's no real debate about that.
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Old 08-28-2017, 05:28 AM   #3
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They weren't anchors on WWE programming though. Cena has been the top star of the PG era -- there's no real debate about that.
The PG move wasn't WWE restructuring around him though. They restructured him to fit what they wanted to be. WWE's failures over the past decade are because of the direction they've gone in as a company. The fact that Cena happens to be the top guy in the "We bought out our competition and no longer feel the need to try" era is unfortunate but there's nothing he could have done about it. If you just look at him as a talent, he's a fucking megastar in any era.
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The PG move wasn't WWE restructuring around him though. They restructured him to fit what they wanted to be. WWE's failures over the past decade are because of the direction they've gone in as a company. The fact that Cena happens to be the top guy in the "We bought out our competition and no longer feel the need to try" era is unfortunate but there's nothing he could have done about it. If you just look at him as a talent, he's a fucking megastar in any era.
You're right that they didn't restructure and he was just the guy, but a lot of other guys couldn't do it, and none of them did. Cena was just that stable table. I meant that more of a positive than a negative. I mean, I don't like them going PG, but Cena navigated those waters about as well as anybody could have.

When it comes to the ratings and such, I do think those are larger problems with the WWE, but regardless, I don't think you can attribute hypothetical success in that category to Cena. Would he have been hotter if he were allowed to be edgy and grow into his own at a more steady rate? I absolutely think so, but it just didn't happen, so we won't know.

My argument isn't so much against John Cena in terms of him as an actual talent, as it is just how effective he was in that role of top guy. I certainly wouldn't give the WWE's hands a wash on the subject.
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