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Old 11-06-2017, 11:09 PM   #1
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Yeah, putting the WWE Title on Mahal is/was a mistake. So would putting it on Zack Ryder. And?
You can't seriously just say you know that giving Ryder a chance would be a mistake basing that on his IC and US reigns though, or even just his career to date. We call that jumping to conclusions.

To truly know if it would be a mistake or not, you have to take the chance.
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Old 11-06-2017, 11:10 PM   #2
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You can't seriously just say you know that giving Ryder a chance would be a mistake basing that on his IC and US reigns though, or even just his career to date. We call that jumping to conclusions.

To truly know if it would be a mistake or not, you have to take the chance.
In a perfect world, you take those chances with the US/IC title, and if they do well with that, THEN maybe you can take a chance with the World Title.

I wouldn't detest Jinder Mahal quite so much if he were US Champion instead of WWE Champion.
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Old 11-06-2017, 11:54 PM   #3
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In a perfect world, you take those chances with the US/IC title, and if they do well with that, THEN maybe you can take a chance with the World Title.

I wouldn't detest Jinder Mahal quite so much if he were US Champion instead of WWE Champion.
It would be preferable, but it could still damage those belts. Definitely preferable though.

Best use for the guy is part of 3MB, I'm telling you.
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Old 11-07-2017, 03:04 AM   #4
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In a perfect world, you take those chances with the US/IC title, and if they do well with that, THEN maybe you can take a chance with the World Title.

I wouldn't detest Jinder Mahal quite so much if he were US Champion instead of WWE Champion.
That seems to be the primary point of contention: the fact that it was literally a jump from jobber to the top champion of Smackdown inside a couple of weeks. It could have been some slight argument if he was pushed since his return to the company (Like Drew in NXT), but instead, it would be like if, somehow between now and Survivor Series, Curt Hawkins beats Brock Lesnar, and then WWE legit tries to bill him as a believable, credible champion.
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Old 11-08-2017, 08:11 AM   #5
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That seems to be the primary point of contention: the fact that it was literally a jump from jobber to the top champion of Smackdown inside a couple of weeks. It could have been some slight argument if he was pushed since his return to the company (Like Drew in NXT), but instead, it would be like if, somehow between now and Survivor Series, Curt Hawkins beats Brock Lesnar, and then WWE legit tries to bill him as a believable, credible champion.
It might be the primary point of contention, but it's not the only point of contention. Sure, the throwing away of their own established lore that Jinder sucks in their very own storylines is frustrating, but past that you also have Jinder sucking. He is really bad. He cannot wrestle well. His promos are bland as fuck. He tries his heart out, and I'm sure he's just a blessing to have in the locker-room, but when you say "Hey Jinder, go out there and entertain people for 10 minutes," he can't do it on either the mic or between the ropes.

He's not even a good mid-carder. He was turgid before he got the giant push, it's just that he wasn't relevant that it was a talking point. But the idea that he almost won the Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal sucked. That he got to beat up Rusev when they split sucked. When he was in 3MB he was the suckiest member.

It would be contentious to me whether or not he should be on your roster or not at all. It's good to have representation and be able to trot bodies out there, but he's not really capable. I wouldn't be thrilled by a Jinder Mahal US Title run, or a Jinder Mahal IC Title run. They wouldn't kill my entire interest in the product like his WWE Title run did, but I'm not getting pumped for it and I'm just waiting for him to lose that belt too.
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Old 11-06-2017, 11:25 PM   #6
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You can't seriously just say you know that giving Ryder a chance would be a mistake basing that on his IC and US reigns though, or even just his career to date. We call that jumping to conclusions.

To truly know if it would be a mistake or not, you have to take the chance.
Yes you can. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. They put a belt on Ryder, sent him out there to talk, and it flopped hard. You know that's not going to work again. You also know that Ryder is not that good in the ring and has never matured to the point where there is any reason to change your assessment of him.

You used the Jinder Mahal example to try and shoot down my point that Ryder sucks, which doesn't make any sense, but you actually just made a case for why they should put the belt on him -- because apparently you can't judge someone on their work until they have belt no matter how large or extensive your sample is.

That is a slight chance, the most tiny miniscule chance, that putting the WWE Title on Zack Ryder clicks. People from all over the world tune in to see the guy they invested a moment's interest in seven years ago with the title. Maybe he's a lot more natural and organic as a heel? Maybe he suddenly starts knocking things out of the park and having exclusively good matches. There's a possibility that could happen. But you'd be a fool to predict it, and even bigger fool to bet on it.
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