OFFICIAL Survivor Series 2017 thread

[Mr. Nerfect]

The problem is that the F5 being built up as such a devastating move is that we've seen people kick out of multiple ones before, that they haven't really told that story and that it's a professional wrestling thing when they are so deep in this world of sports entertainment. They've conditioned their fans to expect multiple kick-outs. I've actually seen complaints about Jeff Hardy beating guys with one Swanton Bomb on the internet. They've gone down that path and now they want to back track and go in the right direction, but everything else is so goofy and exaggerated, then you want to things to build to a quiet statement. It's weird. They should really take that much care with all their finishes, or just have a general rule that finishing moves end things, unless it is supposed to be a big match where a false finish can mean something. It could take years of re-conditioning though.

[Tom Guycott]

Originally Posted by Noid The problem is that the F5 being built up as such a devastating move is that we've seen people kick out of multiple ones before, that they haven't really told that story and that it's a professional wrestling thing when they are so deep in this world of sports entertainment. They've conditioned their fans to expect multiple kick-outs. I've actually seen complaints about Jeff Hardy beating guys with one Swanton Bomb on the internet. They've gone down that path and now they want to back track and go in the right direction, but everything else is so goofy and exaggerated, then you want to things to build to a quiet statement. It's weird. They should really take that much care with all their finishes, or just have a general rule that finishing moves end things, unless it is supposed to be a big match where a false finish can mean something. It could take years of re-conditioning though.

Yes, in the realm of overusing finishers, it is kinda weird seeing it being scaled back. A notable example is the end of Lesnar/Joe... Joe is this monster and credible threat, and the F5 kills him dead. In hindsight, though, if he continues to kill people dead with it instead of needing to hit it 12 times, it will seem like less asshole booking and more credibility building in hindsight. But because WWE has be so overboard for so long, we hadn't even noticed how Young Bucks-like a philosophy the company had until they jarringly started to pull that back.

However, if they continue to make finishers mean more AND pepper shit like the finish of the Asuka match on RAW (She didn't even use the Asuka Lock, just a flurry of strikes, and a kick to the head, and : poof :, RIP Dana) the correction can eventually be made. Not an overnight fix, but at least it's being addressed.