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Old 04-17-2018, 07:23 PM   #1
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Cena. Miz. Wyatt. Orton. Ziggler. Basically anyone who can cut a believable promo and not sound like an awkward indy geek trying too hard to cut a generic wrestling promo automatically wins. There's also a ton of lower card guys who just don't get a chance to cut serious promos like Fandango who have shown the ability to work the mic like a pro if given the chance.
Here are the caveats with some of those guys:

* John Cena I'll 100% give you.

* The Miz can't wrestle to back it up.

* Wyatt's gimmick sucks and his promos haven't meant anything on the variety show without some point and credibility. People zone out and that's why he's stuck in a tag team with Matt Hardy and being auxiliary on pre-shows.

* Ziggler looked to be getting better, but then he came back down to "I'm trying...to have...a good...promo" mode.

* Orton is someone I love more and more, and I do love his "I don't give a fuck" style, but AJ has a similar thing.

It's really a wash for me. I think Joe is better on the mic, but Styles filters his charisma through his ring work just as well, so I actually find Styles that tiny bit more interesting (although I do love Joe). Heyman is obviously a master on the mic, but he's not a wrestler, so comparing their ring skills doesn't work out.

I dunno, man -- I think you're just really hard on AJ Styles.
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Old 04-17-2018, 07:27 PM   #2
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Forgot about Kevin Owens. Miles better.

In fact, while I wouldn't have said this before, but from what I've seen of him recently, Sami Zayn has come off much better on the mic.
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Old 04-17-2018, 07:33 PM   #3
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Forgot about Kevin Owens. Miles better.

In fact, while I wouldn't have said this before, but from what I've seen of him recently, Sami Zayn has come off much better on the mic.
Owens is good at times, but tries to come off too clever for my liking. But yes, he can talk. I think his ring work is overrated though, and he needs a charisma transplant. Sami Zayn is great on the mic. Again, not the total package that AJ Styles is.

If we're just talking mic skills, and looking at them in isolation, I'll give you Cena, Joe, Owens, Zayn, Heyman and, fuck it, Orton. That's 5 guys. Cena is part-time. Orton has been played out in the role. Heyman doesn't wrestle. Neither Owens nor Zayn is the total package AJ is. Joe's great, but I'd rather build around AJ at this point in time. Joe is someone you can promote; AJ is someone you can market.
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Old 04-17-2018, 07:51 PM   #4
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If we're just talking mic skills, and looking at them in isolation, I'll give you Cena, Joe, Owens, Zayn, Heyman and, fuck it, Orton. That's 5 guys. Cena is part-time. Orton has been played out in the role. Heyman doesn't wrestle. Neither Owens nor Zayn is the total package AJ is. Joe's great, but I'd rather build around AJ at this point in time. Joe is someone you can promote; AJ is someone you can market.
If we're talking isolated mic skills and you can't at least bring yourself to give The Miz the nod over him then I definitely think you've got a bias. I'm pretty sure 95% of the AJ Styles marks here wouldn't even go so far as to give him the nod on promo ability over The Miz. They're night and day.
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Here are the caveats with some of those guys:

* John Cena I'll 100% give you.

* The Miz can't wrestle to back it up.

* Wyatt's gimmick sucks and his promos haven't meant anything on the variety show without some point and credibility. People zone out and that's why he's stuck in a tag team with Matt Hardy and being auxiliary on pre-shows.

* Ziggler looked to be getting better, but then he came back down to "I'm trying...to have...a good...promo" mode.

* Orton is someone I love more and more, and I do love his "I don't give a fuck" style, but AJ has a similar thing.
You asked who was a better promo. Miz is a better promo. What does his wrestling ability have to do with anything?

And Wyatt's character becoming shit because of creative also doesn't have anything to do with his promo ability. His promos became directionless on the main brand because his character became directionless. Given equal footing when you've gotta sell a program, Wyatt is a MILLION times better on the mic than Styles. Wyatt sells the shit out of what he's saying. Styles does not.
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Old 04-17-2018, 09:54 PM   #6
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You asked who was a better promo. Miz is a better promo. What does his wrestling ability have to do with anything?

And Wyatt's character becoming shit because of creative also doesn't have anything to do with his promo ability. His promos became directionless on the main brand because his character became directionless. Given equal footing when you've gotta sell a program, Wyatt is a MILLION times better on the mic than Styles. Wyatt sells the shit out of what he's saying. Styles does not.
Because when you're cutting a promo, you're selling something. The Miz is overrated because he's got nothing to sell. Bray Wyatt and The Miz can talk, but they aren't selling anything.
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