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Old 05-16-2018, 11:23 PM   #1
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One of those bull shit "stats" that cant be proven.
Not really considering there are organizations that track these stats and reveal why it becomes one of the hardest crimes to get a conviction in court. Besides the circumstances and scrutiny for evidence, attacking the accuser's credibility has been a very proven and effective tactic both in court and public opinion.

Those same organizations also come up with the same overall result that the amount of rapes that don't get reported or investigated properly is way, way, way higher than those that do.
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Old 05-16-2018, 11:27 PM   #2
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Not really considering there are organizations that track these stats and reveal why it becomes one of the hardest crimes to get a conviction in court. Besides the circumstances and scrutiny for evidence, attacking the accuser's credibility has been a very proven and effective tactic both in court and public opinion.

Those same organizations also come up with the same overall result that the amount of rapes that don't get reported or investigated properly is way, way, way higher than those that do.
I'm not saying there isn't any merit to this. But it's literally one lens.

The attitude of "he was accused therefore he did it" is fucked.

He isn't even getting charged anymore because they can't prove anything and y'all are gonna act like he deserves it. I don't like Enzo, but with what we know from the case, nobody can fairly say he deserves to be considered a rapist by anyone.
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Old 05-16-2018, 11:50 PM   #3
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I'm not saying there isn't any merit to this. But it's literally one lens.

The attitude of "he was accused therefore he did it" is fucked.

He isn't even getting charged anymore because they can't prove anything and y'all are gonna act like he deserves it. I don't like Enzo, but with what we know from the case, nobody can fairly say he deserves to be considered a rapist by anyone.
How is that any different than automatically believing the woman is lying either every time incidents like this pop up.

Based on the various sites I visit daily, a ton more have stuck with the woman being a liar the whole time and used today to pounce on their claims even though the case was only dismissed. A big chunk believing he's still a dumbass for not telling the WWE, a smaller chunk realizing he's still neither guilty nor innocent (same for the accuser), and barely anyone claiming he is still a rapist.


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How do they have even a count on "rapes that don't get reported"? If they aren't reported then how do they know about them? SO CONFUSING.
Estimates and probably police data which is why the range can vary a lot. Last I read, its something like 1 out of every 3 cases are ever reported in the US as a best case and then the number keeps dwindling percentage wise the close you get to a possible conviction due to various reasons and circumstances.
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Old 05-16-2018, 11:58 PM   #4
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How is that any different than automatically believing the woman is lying either every time incidents like this pop up.
It's not any different. The argument isn't "Always believe women" vs "Never believe women". It's "Always believe women" vs "Don't always believe women".
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Old 05-17-2018, 12:01 AM   #5
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It's not any different. The argument isn't "Always believe women" vs "Never believe women". It's "Always believe women" vs "Don't always believe women".
As much as you want to believe the latter, the former is what happens way more especially online.

Your naive if you think otherwise.
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Old 05-17-2018, 12:06 AM   #6
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As much as you want to believe the latter, the former is what happens way more especially online.

Your naive if you think otherwise.
I'm not concerned with what "happens online". I'm talking about the discussion that's happening right now.
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Old 05-17-2018, 12:09 AM   #7
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As much as you want to believe the latter, the former is what happens way more especially online.

Your naive if you think otherwise.
Gotta go with the TODDSTER here. We're talking about us hombres in this conversation (and most civil discourse). Most twitter/youtube threads are the dregs. I think we all line up closer than you think. Enough so that we can have a productive discussion.
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It's not any different. The argument isn't "Always believe women" vs "Never believe women". It's "Always believe women" vs "Don't always believe women".
Well said.
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Old 05-17-2018, 12:04 AM   #9
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How is that any different than automatically believing the woman is lying either every time incidents like this pop up.

Based on the various sites I visit daily, a ton more have stuck with the woman being a liar the whole time and used today to pounce on their claims even though the case was only dismissed. A big chunk believing he's still a dumbass for not telling the WWE, a smaller chunk realizing he's still neither guilty nor innocent (same for the accuser), and barely anyone claiming he is still a rapist.
Once that stench is on you it's never removed.

And yep, he is a dumbass for not telling WWE. If that's their motivation (coupled with his shit attitude) for keeping him fired then that's cool.

I'm not talking about the news sites anyways. I'm talking about here. And enough of pretty much civilians participating in most discourse.

"Dude gets accused of rape and doesn't end up getting charged" usually turns into "well statistics show that he likely did it". It's ugly.

Rape is certainly uglier. But it is different to many crimes given its social implications. To act like women faking accusations is laughable is very naive.
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Not really considering there are organizations that track these stats and reveal why it becomes one of the hardest crimes to get a conviction in court. Besides the circumstances and scrutiny for evidence, attacking the accuser's credibility has been a very proven and effective tactic both in court and public opinion.

Those same organizations also come up with the same overall result that the amount of rapes that don't get reported or investigated properly is way, way, way higher than those that do.
The flaw to this is the assumption that the verdict is true making this entire metric worthless
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