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Old 05-17-2018, 03:45 AM   #1
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What doesn't sit well with me when discussing things like this is the inherent fact that someone is lying. Either the woman is lying or Enzo is lying. It's possible both are lying. It's possible both think they are telling the truth, but objective reality suggests that they can't both be telling it. What's really unsettling to me is just how comfortable a lot of dudes are with saying that it's the chick that's lying. You don't even need to say that Enzo is lying, but the idea that this is just a dark and messy situation with a definitive victim (of some description) that they should not have to go through is kind of brushed aside in favor of "she's a crack whore, she can't be trusted." Not an actual quote from anyone, but the sentiment floats around and it makes me want to destroy the entire internet.

People that aren't perceived as having any credibility can be raped too. Homeless people, drug addicts, compulsive liars. It doesn't just exist for good girls who tell the truth all the time and don't touch coke. I wonder how many of the people crying poor Enzo would honestly defend a woman in this situation if she came up on charges without there being enough evidence that she was actually making it up? I think Dale would, and I'd like to think #fan and Destor would, but it's something to give some thought about whether or not this is really about a lack of evidence, or just what the charge implies.
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Old 05-17-2018, 12:07 PM   #2
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I wonder how many of the people crying poor Enzo would honestly defend a woman in this situation if she came up on charges without there being enough evidence that she was actually making it up? I think Dale would, and I'd like to think #fan and Destor would, but it's something to give some thought about whether or not this is really about a lack of evidence, or just what the charge implies.
Yes. I would defend a woman if the sex was reversed in this case. And it would have 0 to do with her sex. It wouldn't be until someone comes in and makes it about that by saying "Well, men don't usually lie about rape." and then implies some sexism because you're not #believingmen that it becomes about gender.
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Old 05-17-2018, 12:33 PM   #3
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Yes. I would defend a woman if the sex was reversed in this case. And it would have 0 to do with her sex. It wouldn't be until someone comes in and makes it about that by saying "Well, men don't usually lie about rape." and then implies some sexism because you're not #believingmen that it becomes about gender.
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Old 05-17-2018, 01:53 PM   #4
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Yes. I would defend a woman if the sex was reversed in this case. And it would have 0 to do with her sex. It wouldn't be until someone comes in and makes it about that by saying "Well, men don't usually lie about rape." and then implies some sexism because you're not #believingmen that it becomes about gender.
Why would you even specify that? Odd.
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Old 05-17-2018, 01:56 PM   #5
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Why would you even specify that? Odd.
I clearly needs to be after rampant accusations of sexism surrounding this topic
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Old 05-17-2018, 02:17 PM   #6
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I clearly needs to be after rampant accusations of sexism surrounding this topic
Interestingly enough, the only person who has used the word "sexism" since Dale brought this back up is #fan. Methinks biases are creeping in a bit too much.
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Interestingly enough, the only person who has used the word "sexism" since Dale brought this back up is #fan. Methinks biases are creeping in a bit too much.
We dont have to say the word, we all know what this conversation is about. Why are playing semantics games?
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Why would you even specify that? Odd.
... You literally asked if I would defend a woman in this situation. I said I would regardless of the sex. Now you're questioning why I would specify that it has nothing to do with the person's sex.

You can't be serious.
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I wonder how many of the people crying poor Enzo would honestly defend a woman in this situation if she came up on charges without there being enough evidence that she was actually making it up?
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Yes. I would defend a woman if the sex was reversed in this case. And it would have 0 to do with her sex.
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Why would you even specify that? Odd.
This is seriously an exchange that just happened. What the shit.
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This is seriously an exchange that just happened. What the shit.
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I wonder how many of the people crying poor Enzo would honestly defend a woman in this situation if she came up on charges without there being enough evidence that she was actually making it up?

To clarify, I'm talking about false allegations, not rape allegations. I could have been more clear by saying "on charges of filing a false report." I thought that was inherent in "that she was actually making it up?"
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