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Old 05-26-2018, 04:33 PM   #1
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I say Triple H. Revisionist history has allow him to position himself as the greatest gift a wrestling ring has ever seen when anyone who grew up with him knows that that's not the case. What drives me really nuts is that it has seemingly worked people who didn't grow up seeing Triple H get to where he is now just see him as this sort of legendary figure.
Even when he assumed the leadership of DX he felt secondary the group as a whole was a big deal but nobody in that group was Main Event material at least not without Shawn Michaels. He got his main event push literally after all the big guns had done everything. And by the time he got up there wrestling was cooling off. Just to remind myself that this is completely true I have old TV guides where they featured wrestlers on them. Triple H isn't on any of the covers he isn't even mentioned inside the book.
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Old 05-27-2018, 01:58 PM   #2
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I say Triple H. Revisionist history has allow him to position himself as the greatest gift a wrestling ring has ever seen when anyone who grew up with him knows that that's not the case. What drives me really nuts is that it has seemingly worked people who didn't grow up seeing Triple H get to where he is now just see him as this sort of legendary figure.
Even when he assumed the leadership of DX he felt secondary the group as a whole was a big deal but nobody in that group was Main Event material at least not without Shawn Michaels. He got his main event push literally after all the big guns had done everything. And by the time he got up there wrestling was cooling off. Just to remind myself that this is completely true I have old TV guides where they featured wrestlers on them. Triple H isn't on any of the covers he isn't even mentioned inside the book.
Triple H was a main eventer and World Champion by mid 1999 and dominated all the way into 2001. You could argue business didn't cool down until he got hurt in 2001 and the invasion angle alienated fans. 99 and 00 were still very hot years for the WWF. He was the Roddy Piper/mega heel of the late Attitude Era. Without him as a heel, could The Rock have carried WWF in Austin's absence? I think not because there would have been no hot main event programs. He isn't a white hot headlining baby face, but he is damn sure a white hot main event heel that is just as important as the baby face. I'd also argue the HHH-led DX was more over, a bigger draw, and more significant than the original DX. Also, being the #3 banana behind the 2 biggest stars of all time isn't a bad spot to be. Roddy Piper was always in the shadow of Hogan and Savage popularity wise.
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Old 05-27-2018, 04:06 PM   #3
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Triple H was a main eventer and World Champion by mid 1999 and dominated all the way into 2001. You could argue business didn't cool down until he got hurt in 2001 and the invasion angle alienated fans. 99 and 00 were still very hot years for the WWF. He was the Roddy Piper/mega heel of the late Attitude Era. Without him as a heel, could The Rock have carried WWF in Austin's absence? I think not because there would have been no hot main event programs. He isn't a white hot headlining baby face, but he is damn sure a white hot main event heel that is just as important as the baby face. I'd also argue the HHH-led DX was more over, a bigger draw, and more significant than the original DX. Also, being the #3 banana behind the 2 biggest stars of all time isn't a bad spot to be. Roddy Piper was always in the shadow of Hogan and Savage popularity wise.

Pretty much killed the WWE faster than Russo killed off WCW in 2000. Like a bacteria, clinging to the stronger host in hopes of syphoning off valuable nutrients or "rub", in hopes of being over due to association. A mid card at best in the realm of Snitsky in 2004.
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Old 05-28-2018, 12:35 AM   #4
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Triple H was a main eventer and World Champion by mid 1999 and dominated all the way into 2001. You could argue business didn't cool down until he got hurt in 2001 and the invasion angle alienated fans. 99 and 00 were still very hot years for the WWF. He was the Roddy Piper/mega heel of the late Attitude Era. Without him as a heel, could The Rock have carried WWF in Austin's absence? I think not because there would have been no hot main event programs. He isn't a white hot headlining baby face, but he is damn sure a white hot main event heel that is just as important as the baby face. I'd also argue the HHH-led DX was more over, a bigger draw, and more significant than the original DX. Also, being the #3 banana behind the 2 biggest stars of all time isn't a bad spot to be. Roddy Piper was always in the shadow of Hogan and Savage popularity wise.
If you want me to say something positive about him he's great for wrestling as a whole as far as what it needs now because Vince McMahon just ain't getting it done he needs to retire. also do you have an implant that just alert you when people are talking about Triple H?
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Old 05-29-2018, 04:09 AM   #5
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Triple H was a main eventer and World Champion by mid 1999 and dominated all the way into 2001. You could argue business didn't cool down until he got hurt in 2001 and the invasion angle alienated fans. 99 and 00 were still very hot years for the WWF. He was the Roddy Piper/mega heel of the late Attitude Era. Without him as a heel, could The Rock have carried WWF in Austin's absence? I think not because there would have been no hot main event programs. He isn't a white hot headlining baby face, but he is damn sure a white hot main event heel that is just as important as the baby face. I'd also argue the HHH-led DX was more over, a bigger draw, and more significant than the original DX. Also, being the #3 banana behind the 2 biggest stars of all time isn't a bad spot to be. Roddy Piper was always in the shadow of Hogan and Savage popularity wise.
He was shoehorned into that position and Foley needed to bend over backwards to get him there. 2000 was hot and Triple H did his best work that year, but Benoit drew as much as Triple H did going against The Rock. There's this idea that he, himself, is a draw, but Triple H didn't sell out that arena in India either. Triple H was not critical to The Rock drawing in 2000 -- Rocky has always been worlds ahead in terms of star power and charisma. That's why The Rock conquered Hollywood and Triple H only did Blade 3.

Piper drew money; DX didn't. WWE revisionist history would tell you that he was a star. They have presented him like one even when there are no returns to it (1997-1999; 2002-).
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Old 05-29-2018, 04:14 AM   #6
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He was shoehorned into that position and Foley needed to bend over backwards to get him there. 2000 was hot and Triple H did his best work that year, but Benoit drew as much as Triple H did going against The Rock. There's this idea that he, himself, is a draw, but Triple H didn't sell out that arena in India either. Triple H was not critical to The Rock drawing in 2000 -- Rocky has always been worlds ahead in terms of star power and charisma. That's why The Rock conquered Hollywood and Triple H only did Blade 3.

Piper drew money; DX didn't. WWE revisionist history would tell you that he was a star. They have presented him like one even when there are no returns to it (1997-1999; 2002-).
I really just skimmed this thread, but what the hell? Piper drew money and DX didn't? I thought DX was over as fuck and also sold a ton of merchandise.
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Old 05-29-2018, 07:54 AM   #7
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I really just skimmed this thread, but what the hell? Piper drew money and DX didn't? I thought DX was over as fuck and also sold a ton of merchandise.
I was being quite dramatic. They weren't giant ratings draws and weren't as significant as the company makes out. HHH disappears for quite a while in 1998 and no one misses him.
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I say Triple H. Revisionist history has allow him to position himself as the greatest gift a wrestling ring has ever seen when anyone who grew up with him knows that that's not the case. What drives me really nuts is that it has seemingly worked people who didn't grow up seeing Triple H get to where he is now just see him as this sort of legendary figure.
Even when he assumed the leadership of DX he felt secondary the group as a whole was a big deal but nobody in that group was Main Event material at least not without Shawn Michaels. He got his main event push literally after all the big guns had done everything. And by the time he got up there wrestling was cooling off. Just to remind myself that this is completely true I have old TV guides where they featured wrestlers on them. Triple H isn't on any of the covers he isn't even mentioned inside the book.


I'd go as far as to say that Triple H, both in front of the camera and behind it, is a big part of why wrestling cooled off. He put the block on lots of embers and he also sucked as a babyface in 2002 and doing his Ric Flair cosplay.
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