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Old 10-15-2018, 02:10 PM   #1
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Will there ever be a time where someone doesn't play the "wrestling is gay" card when ridiculing something wrestling related?
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Old 10-15-2018, 02:11 PM   #2
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I actually thought we were living in those times now (and have been for a while) but apparently not.
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Old 10-15-2018, 02:36 PM   #3
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I actually thought we were living in those times now (and have been for a while) but apparently not.
It would be nice if they didn't.

They seem to play that card w/ MMA now too.
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Old 10-15-2018, 08:26 PM   #4
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Will there ever be a time where someone doesn't play the "wrestling is gay" card when ridiculing something wrestling related?
but I mean it's a little gay. It's not a negative.
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Old 10-15-2018, 10:16 PM   #5
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Kids under 13 do not give two fucks about politics, only if "The Big Dog" gets to conquer Lesnar & Strowman inside a steel cadge....
Disagree. Kids are not as stupid as people say. They know Roman Reigns is not cool. They know wrestling is not cool. And they do care about politics. They watch the news, either with their parents or without them, and they get a sense of the urgency our world is in.

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You are correct, they don't care.

Also, WWE's largest viewing demographic is over the age of 50.
There's also this point. Kids don't watch WWE because of the aforementioned cool factor. It's older fans who fell in love when they were younger and are holding out a candle for hope.

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WWE has turned into 1998 WCW.
This is the smartest thing you've said in quite a while. Completely agree. It's not even that the guys are old, it's the emphasis the rudimentary "Here this is," heatless interjection of guys who just have matches because "Hey, hey..." There's no real continuous thread or evolution in the issues.

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Gertner gets a question answered this week on Jim Cornette's Drive-Thru.
I loved this week's episode. I can't wait for the Meltzer episode this Thursday.

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Well that's a gimmick and he isn't exactly ridiculing wrestling, is he?
Um, well, yeah, he kind of is. He reduces it to a parody of itself, which makes fun of the process of making fun more than it actually has a serious target to critique.

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At its core it’s only as stupid as movies, TV or any other form of entertainment.

Now the way it’s currently presented...
Yeah, I hate the phrase "wrestling is stupid." I often think that myself in the sense that it's really not life or death and in the trivial sense that everything is stupid, but in the context of it being this ridiculous pantomime...nah. It can be the art of crowd manipulation through conflict that warrants serious intellectual appreciation and emotional involvement. When it works, wrestling is smarter than its audience and critics.

How often have you seen some bullshit reported by the AP that makes them look like absolute marks? "Oh, they use fake blood," or Jerry Lawler and Jim Carrey work them on the set of the Kaufman movie. They thought Donald Trump actually bought the company at one point.

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People always give me shit for saying this, but if I were in the talents' position, I absolutely would not go. I don't think I would work for WWE, to be honest, but damn if you can't have a bit of pride.

I've been very fortunate in my professional life. I can admit that. I've never been starving on the streets, and whenever I've had the chance to weigh up my values over a job, I've always been able to choose my values. I've left places that I can't agree with philosophically, because I knew I could get employment elsewhere. Maybe that's privilege?

But I would absolutely not go on this tour. I wouldn't compromise my own integrity by participating in a propaganda campaign like that. And what are they going to do? Fire me? Okay. I'll go work for New Japan or ROH or something. I'm sure I'd be an internet darling after doing it. But the thing is they're not going to fire anyone, because the PR for that would be disastrous. That's why New Day and Titus O'Neil can speak out about Hogan. As if Vince is going to fire black talent for saying they are uncomfortable working around a racist in 2018 with their image concerns, lol.

Worst case scenario about not going: You get more over.

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UFC parent company pulls out of deal w/ Saudi Arabia



And WWE begin to trail. For a guy who likes to present himself as a man of action, Vince is looking mighty subservient right now.

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Ronda also doesn't feel 'special' at all anymore.

They killed that off in less than 6 months.
Ugh, I'm on the fence about this one. Ronda herself is really good. She's got a great game face when she isn't smiling, and it's nice to see someone that can actually punch. She's intense in all the right ways, and she can sell her ass off. They've done the best job they can do with her. But has she really made a difference?

There's the problem of the division around her. You've only got a few women who can be believable in opposition, and the rest of the time she has to spend working with Divas. This has always been a problem with the dynamics of the division. She's heading into a match against Nikki fucking Bella at their PPV. Is she going to be selling for her? That's not going to go over well. They'll be in front of a New York crowd, all of whom have bought tickets probably intending to be "polite" to women's wrestling, but if they peak early, the show is underwhelming, the work is soft, the show is booked poorly, Nikki Bella is given too much star treatment, or they feel that this is golden goosed, they could potentially shit ALL over it. What's that going to do to their psyches?

The crowd is the most interesting element to this upcoming show. But yeah, I'm worried about whether or not Ronda is going to be the star for them they really want her to be.

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Will there ever be a time where someone doesn't play the "wrestling is gay" card when ridiculing something wrestling related?
Well, it is quite homoerotic. They haven't caught on to how nerdy it is now. But when comparing it to MMA, it is a bunch of men firing up their testosterone, at least in theory, to explode in a burst of toxic masculinity. It's pretty gay, haha.

It's even weirder when you consider the socialist compount the industry has openly become. Everyone co-operates in such a weird and performative way. It's less suppressed in its homoeroticism, and now embraces almost an actively camp aura.
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