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Old 11-11-2018, 02:47 PM   #321
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That's who they'll go after. I was surprised Bobby made it out of halftime Friday night.
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Old 11-11-2018, 08:03 PM   #322
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That's who they'll go after. I was surprised Bobby made it out of halftime Friday night.
Dan Dakich says they're pursuing UAB coach and Charlie Strong.

Just stay away from our Brohm
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Bromh will be the first coach they go after. He's a loyal guy and might stay and I could see them going after Strong again if he does. Think you are talking about Neal Brown who is Troy's coach but I don't think he is a strong candidate.
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Big Ten Championship refs are going to be brutal towards NU. No way the Big Ten wants NU to win that game especially if it would prevent Michigan/OSU from getting into the playoffs.

Rooting for an upset of one or both of those two, then the lower ranked of the two winning The Game.
Not necessarily. It would just mean they could fulfill the wet dream and add another SEC team to the top 4.

Ohio State is all the way out. There is zero chance they can climb back from 10 in two games to be in a position to replace that other team with a conference championship win. The committee made that mistake twice already; once by giving my beloved Buckeyes a berth when they didn't deserve it, and the following year by denying a better performing team because of the shortcomings of the previous "benefit of the doubt" ranking push. I think those two post season results should have been flipped (but I also think that a few seasons before that, Ohio State shouldn't have lost to Florida for the National Championship, because they should have played Georgia... not just because they were a team they could have beaten, but because Georgia got hosed on that final ranking.)

TTUN would have to knock off Ohio State, Northwestern, AND Alabama just to play for the National Championship, unless someone ahead of them slips up and bumps them up to #3. If the cards go that way, Northwestern could totally play spoiler by being Big Ten champs. If the schedule were how the original setup for the Big Ten to have a championship game (you know, as referenced in that error I made awhile back), this would potentially have been the year Ohio State and Xichigan would have played twice in a row in a single season.

But I'm not going to write anyone off. You know where my loyalties are, but we have to see this through one week at a time. After having a shitty time against Purdue and Nebraska, I'm totally not looking past the usually abysmal Maryland.

But, all things considered, all this still makes me a firm believer in a 16 team pool. 8 is fine, and an obvious eventuality, but 16 is only one additonal week of 8 games that would be populated by schools playing in lesser bowl games anyhow. It would lend more credibility to the entire Top 25, eliminate the "outside looking in" squads like your UCFs or Boise States or TCUs or West Virginias not getting a shot while their school is in position to be relevant for a year or two, and they get to keep their multiple SEC team fantasy alive and well.
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Yeah but my whole point is that it's the Big Ten Championship with Big Ten refs so it will totally be one of these "Pssst....hey....do what's best for the conference" which would be Michigan/OSU getting to the playoffs if the situation allows. If Michigan enters this game still with that one loss, it's win and in. No way the conference wants to let them lose and leave the Big Ten out of the playoffs even though it just means they still get to go to a NY6.

What's the rule on conferences in the NY6? Is it a limit of 3 or 2? I know they've had that rule in years past.
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Is it a limit of 3 or 2? I know they've had that rule in years past.
Not sure. It would likely be a 3, but given that they have co-opted two bowl games per year as a playoff round and Notre Dame might actually forsake its above .500 bowl guarantee with an actual run at the title, I think they just start plugging teams in where they can to make a quick buck ...even though the NCAA is not a business.

Always seems weird to me when the Rose Bowl isn't Big Ten/Pac Ten though. With the extra wrinkle of it rotating as a playoff game, it is just weirder.
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Yale vs. Harvard AKA "THE GAME" went down for the 143rd time.

Harvard whoops Yale's ass 45-27 at Fenway. Which was probably quite the experience this time around.
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Harvard whoops Yale's ass 45-27 at Fenway. Which was probably quite the experience this time around.
Which included a called back TD due to an errant finger. Who knew we started getting "thugs" in the Ivy League?
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In other news, as much of a fan that I am, I'm tired of this on the field shitshow. "Let's get behind and then play for real" nonsense has to go. Out there making Maryland look like Wisconsin from like 4 years ago. You know what way I want THE GAME to go, but it won't go down like that if OSU keeps this nonsense up... and they definitely won't make it past Northwestern.
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Rooting for OSU next week. Really fear the refs if a playoff appearance is on the line for Michigan. Much less likely case for OSU in the playoffs without 3 or 4 teams ahead of them losing.
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Well at least one team ahead of them is guaranteed to lose in a couple weeks, so there's that.
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It would have been more of a case if Ohio State hadn't shit the bed so much this year on defense and lost to goddamn Purdue.

Really, if there were justice, UCF should leapfrog fucking everyone. They're getting the Boisie State treatment, and that's kinda disrespectful. A Michigan loss should have the Knights jump them and Georgia to get the 4th spot.

Really... and undefeated squad ranked down with 3 loss teams... shameful...
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It would have been more of a case if Ohio State hadn't shit the bed so much this year on defense and lost to goddamn Purdue.

Really, if there were justice, UCF should leapfrog fucking everyone. They're getting the Boisie State treatment, and that's kinda disrespectful. A Michigan loss should have the Knights jump them and Georgia to get the 4th spot.

Really... and undefeated squad ranked down with 3 loss teams... shameful...
It's not shameful. The problem is that there are too many teams in the FBS. You have like 120 teams fighting for 4 spots. They need to split the FBS into 2 separate divisions. Div-1 would be the power 5 conferences and Notredame and would have their own championship, with the other group being all the mid-major conferences and what not left.

UCF is a great team....but they will get slaughtered by the likes of an Alabama, Clemson, ND etc. They go undefeated because they have a comparatively easy schedule. Any of the teams in the top 10 would go undefeated against their schedule, and probably any of the teams in the top 20 really.
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In saying all that, because of the way it is set up, they DO deserve the opportunity at the playoff.....I just feel that wouldn't pan out very well. They would end up playing either Clemson or Alabama in the first round and I think they would get beaten like 63-21 and it would not be a good luck. No other smaller school would ever get a look after that lol.

It's unfortunate we don't have an expanded playoff system already. 8 teams would have them in now probably.
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It's not shameful.

UCF is a great team....but they will get slaughtered by the likes of an Alabama, Clemson, ND etc. They go undefeated because they have a comparatively easy schedule. Any of the teams in the top 10 would go undefeated against their schedule, and probably any of the teams in the top 20 really.
For "strength of schedule", teams can only play who is in front of them; and games are lined up a couple of years in advance. Also funny how "strength of schedule" only seems to factor keeping unwanted teams out, but not when, say, SEC schools have multiple late season "bye weeks" against Whogivesafuck State.

That they would be "slaughtered" is a huge assumption, and pretty much the reason why games are played on the field. A great anecdote on that is, ironically, the Ohio State national championship. If the BCS were still in the pre-playoff days that season, the game would have most likely been Alabama dismantling the highly suspect Florida State, who was somehow ranked #2 in spite of being absolute ass that year. This whole "just hand X the trophy (currently X = Alabama) is a thing I don't agree with. Teams don't become dominant overnight, nor do they stay on top in perpituity. Even a dynasty as powerful as the one in Tuscaloosa right now won't remain. And even as the Tide rolls ever literally, there could be that one team that is able to step on their neck that they weren't ready for, or, in fact, had an answer for them.

This year's mid major can be a national heavyweight a few seasons from now, or even right now if they have their stars aligned and a special group of guys on the field. However, just prejudging on name brand recognition can cause that shit to be overlooked. When Oregon started getting major Nike money to the point of having more uniform choices a season than games, that started attracting players who wanted to get in on some of that swag (and I mean both swagger AND free clothes interchangably). They got written off before that. Now, it's no surprise to have them periodically jump to the top of the Pac 12.

You get used to hearing about the same handful of teams, and you start buying into other teams never being good enough. However, there is a little more parity now than there ever was, with collegiate football being such a big cash cow and students looking to be standouts are going more for the "lesser" schools to be able to get playtime instead of riding pine for three years at a perennial powerhouse.

But we will never know how any of those will stack up if they never get the shot to. TCU shows flashes every few years. Boise State crawled up from being 1-AA around '98 to being a 1-A school nobody wanted to risk their records against in 2008. Hawaii gets shot in the foot a lot because of geography. Hell, how much of recent history has Notre Dame been an utter joke? The biggest difference is that ND has some name recognition that Central Florida does not. Who knows: UCF might kick the everliving shit out of Notre Dame if they played... but they'll never play. They won't get the boost. The fact that even my beloved Buckeyes are still in the conversation even after uncharacteristically janky defense, way too many close games and, again, a goddamn loss at Purdue at #10, but UCF is just written off at #11 with a better record is just a shame... because we will never get the chance to even know how good UCF is or isn't. Or any team like them that will come along.

Primary reason why I'm an advocate for a 16 team playoff. Fuck 8, make it 16. Power 5 conference champs, undefeated teams, and any at-large squads who didn't give up halfway through the year because they are only ranked #22... and quite a bit of that is still arbitrary anyway. You're only adding two more Saturdays than currently is in place. The champion plays Four extra games instead of two. About the only thing stopping that is the fact that you wouldn't be able to televise all 8 first round games nationally, unless you also add Friday or something.
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... I really need to stop with the 16 team thing. I actually believe in it, but I feel like I'm saying it too much.
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I think 8 is the highest it should go but think a NIT type tournament for the Group of 5 Schools should happen as well.
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LOL doesn't matter when an SEC team gets a bye week against whogivesafuckstate? Jesus Christ, UCF plays whogivesafuckstate at least 10 of their 12 games.
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LOL doesn't matter when an SEC team gets a bye week against whogivesafuckstate? Jesus Christ, UCF plays whogivesafuckstate at least 10 of their 12 games.
Part of that was the whole hay made out of the thing a few years back where most of your 1-A schools would play a slack team or some 1-AA handshake game that acted as the collegic version of a preseason. This somehow hurt that almighty "strength of schedule" factor that was getting more and more weight, so a bunch of schools started having week 1 matchups with other marquee schools (this was also around the time everyone was trying to make dual division conferences with an actual championship game at the end of the season instead of declairing the team with the best schedule the winner.) Meanwhile, the SEC just started frontloading the confrence schedule and playing all the puff teams late season.

You can only play who is in front of you, though, and while UCF isn't regularly going up against teams like Texas or USC or Penn St, it isn't like they haven't earned the right to try.

There is too much "factoring" in trying to guestimate who would make a better matchup/generate more revenue. For all anyone knows, UCF could run the table and shock everyone. We'll never know, because they lack the name brand recognition for us to find out. They could go undefeated next year, too, and unless a lot of the big boys drop three games - a super unlikely scenario - they will never be able to climb into the playoff picture. They, or anyone like them, will always be just outside the threshold.
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Didn't UCF beat an SEC team in a bowl game last year when they were also undefeated

I fucking hate your crap college football opinions dude. You're the problem man. The SEC isn't even remotely impressive this year, at least compared to 7-8ish years ago. We all gotta drop the perpetual sec boner, like they're somehow NFL caliber teams

"but muh bama"

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I'm not saying UCF needs to be in the top 4, but UCF needs to be ahead of 2 loss LSU

Not really "fair" that any schools not in a major conference are given the message "it doesn't matter how good you are, you're actually not allowed to compete for a national title"
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Obviously directed at kronik doofus, I largely agree with Tom Boddet and thank him for leaving the light on. Do not ager on a 16 team playoff at all though, I don't even like an 8 team playoff. MAYBE 6 teams ... maybe

I hate the idea of losing bowl games/especially traditional ones in favor of some march madness dream
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I'm not saying UCF needs to be in the top 4, but UCF needs to be ahead of 2 loss LSU

Not really "fair" that any schools not in a major conference are given the message "it doesn't matter how good you are, you're actually not allowed to compete for a national title"
This is why I said they should be split into separate divisions but I wouldn't expect you to read anything when you can spazzzzzzz instead.
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Separate divisions

Listen to ur retarded ideas dude
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Nerf why are you so angry?
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Probably doesn't realize football is split into multiple divisions because there are way too many teams for them to all be lumped together. I bet he doesn't realize there are actually 4 national champions in college football every year. Or that Division-1, which we are talking about in this thread, has already had to be split once because of this same issue, which is why we have the FBS and the FCS.

The FCS (the lower branch of Div-1) has 125 teams. Their national championship is determined by a 16 team tournament. By comparison, the FBS (which is all the schools we are talking about here) has 130 teams, one of which is transitional and gets a 4 team tournament. See a problem here?

You either have to have a larger field in the playoffs, and 16 is a realistic number. That's like 13% of the teams making the playoffs which is a TINY amount compared to other sports. But since for some reason the system that works in every other division isn't going to work in Div-1; we can't have 16 teams and it'll be forever to get 8. Look how long it took to get 4 teams instead of 2 ffs. So if we aren't going to field a larger group for the playoffs, the only answer is to split the division again and have another national championship that the schools who will NEVER get a nod in the current system actually have a chance of winning.

Division-1A becomes the power 5 and Notre Dame and they can have their 4 teams playoff since they will be the smallest division. 1B is everyone else from the current FBS and the top 2 conferences from the FCS; 1C is the rest of the FCS. Those 2 groups can have the otherwise standard tournament to decide their national champions. Problem solved for everyone.
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Well shit, I just looked it up, and the FCS has moved to a 24 team playoff now. Haven't honestly paid attention to FCS since the local school (Georgia Southern) moved up to FBS a few years ago.
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dude you are sooooooo wrong about your college football opinions

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I think it'll happen eventually. Once these conferences move to having 16 teams the top 4 will split from the rest.
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Well the playoff drama is going to get interesting now. Michigan is looking like they are going to get crushed by Ohio St. That's gonna move UGA to #4, but they have to play Alabama next week, so there's another guaranteed loss from a top 4 team. Gonna be interesting to see how this shakes out.

Can't wait for UGA to beat Alabama in the SEC title game and then they both make the playoffs again. Gonna come here and watch Nerf cry about the SEC with a huge smile on my face.
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So, I will not be surprised if Harbaugh is in the hot seat in spite of turning the squad around to a winning record. Dropping 4 in a row in the rivalry is enough to make some boosters grumble.
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I think he will survive the grumblings this time, but if they lose again next year he will be toast.

I like Jim Harbaugh a lot. Ever since he was Captain Comeback for Indy. Feel really bad for him not getting over that hump this year.
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Ohio St. vs Northwestern

I still want to know where this fire was all season, though?! There was no reason for Penn St to be so close or that loss to goddamn Perdue...
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That's how I feel about UGA and their loss to LSU, who I feel is a bit overrated because of their win over UGA. Seems like we finally got the offense firing on all cylinders again after that L though, and especially the last 2 weeks.

Wish we had Northwestern in our conference championship :/
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I think he will survive the grumblings this time, but if they lose again next year he will be toast.

I like Jim Harbaugh a lot. Ever since he was Captain Comeback for Indy. Feel really bad for him not getting over that hump this year.
I wish he didn't get run out of San Fran. You'd think you'd put winning prominence over not dealing with an abrasive personality. What good is a cordial coach when you're perpetually in the basement?
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I wish he didn't get run out of San Fran. You'd think you'd put winning prominence over not dealing with an abrasive personality. What good is a cordial coach when you're perpetually in the basement?
Exactly how I feel. He was great in San Fran and that team DIED as soon as he left.
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Auburn v Alabama is a very good game so far, as usual. 17-14 Alabama at half.
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