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Old 01-13-2020, 01:39 AM   #1
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I haven't been this excited about something in wrestling for a long while, so I wanted to make a thread...
Marty Scurll has allegedly signed back on with ROH as a talent and head booker. The deal is said to, overall, be worth seven figures.

This is the same feeling I had when AEW was sparking up. I've since found myself disillusioned with their philosophy and booking, but the concept of AEW had me giddy. All you need to compete with Vince McMahon and the horrible WWE product is money.

For ages it looked like Sinclair were not going to pony up and really sink that capital into ROH to make it a top-level contender in the promotional wars. So this deal is huge to me, because obvious they really want him and he wants to put himself into a position where he can enact his vision.

And I hope that vision is big.

If I were Scurll, I wouldn't have signed on that dotted line as booker if I couldn't get some assurances. That would be Sinclair investment so we can get the stars we need to start filling up buildings and make this an attractive enough product to sell to a network. Yes, Sinclair own ROH and they like having that one-hour show for syndication. But there is no reason that they can't polish ROH, take it larger and get it to more eyeballs and make way more than the money you'd be required to invest in it to get it to that level.

The rumor for AEW was $100 million. That would be enough to pay talent out the ass, cover production costs and get some promotional stuff going. I'd aim to start running decent sized buildings and get a two-hour weekly show, ala Dynamite and hope that it does well enough to justify getting those TV rights fees. That goes right back to Sinclair, and if that is $50 million a year over five years, that's several time that initial investment.

If I were Scurll, I'd be looking to lock all the free agents that come out of WWE (Brodie Lee and FTR, especially), double-down on their New Japan relationship, start up something with MLW and the NWA (why not work together?) and try, try, try to use some of your extra millions lying around to get The Rock to appear on your two-hour launch to try and draw in eyeballs to some serious pro-wrestling. If he can get a CBS Viacom to sit down with you he's worth backing up the truck and leaving the keys in the ignition.

Yes, I am starting Rock to ROH rumors. Fuck you. He's the biggest star in the world and if you want to make your Sinclair overlords happy, that's who you want coming out and putting over your TV show and getting a few million people to give wrestling a shot, shoot yourselves to #2 overnight and get you something close to what allows Vince McMahon to start up his own fucking football league again.
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Old 01-13-2020, 01:59 AM   #2
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They should approach The Rock about sinking some money in as a partner via Seven Bucks Productions. His name attached to wrestling at all is going to lend your major credibility and pop the network execs. Sit down with CBS and try and get a Tuesday show. Rock can open it up and talk about how when he left the Canadian Football League he had seven bucks in his pocket, now he wants to give some of that back to wrestling, the wrestling fans and the wrestlers.

Would be fucking huge. This could be an even bigger year for wrestling than 2019. Unbelievable.
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Old 01-13-2020, 04:34 AM   #3
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The life you need to get when an irrelevant dude has also signed with an irrelevant company has you excited.
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Old 01-13-2020, 09:17 AM   #5
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I really hope you find a product that fits your needs Noid. I am planning to give the first Scurl taping a shot. I do hate the shit talk about ROH and it's made me hate it more than ever. It's all about lost opprotunity and potential with this company. But they are not Impact, they are ROH, they have a great history and can come back from "the dead" so to speak.

I don't see the NJPW relationship tightening up, but it would be smart since NJPW lost axs, but that would make the NJPW of America shows essentially a Super Card of Honor, which we don't want.

I don't see ROH signing "stars" they never have, they will find up and coming talent and mold them, hopefully they find the right guys. They still have Cobb and he would probably sign if the company were putting out a better product. I'd assume that's why Marty stayed as well, aside from a lot of money and few dates, he can control the fate of the company, to some degree.
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Somebody is excited about a wrestling company other than AEW and you guys are losing your shit lol.

Also, weren't you all just saying how awesome it was gonna be when Marty showed up as the leader of Dark Order, but now he is a nobody???

Stockholm Syndrome.
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Not to wrestle. Give his blessing to a company and maybe invest. If you decide you want to run big arenas, he sells your tickets and gets you a big TV rating too. Worth spending $10 million on the guy to do you’re going to get $100 million back.
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Old 01-13-2020, 05:30 PM   #13
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Somebody is excited about a wrestling company other than AEW and you guys are losing your shit lol.

Also, weren't you all just saying how awesome it was gonna be when Marty showed up as the leader of Dark Order, but now he is a nobody???

Stockholm Syndrome.
Yeah, it’s pretty sad. Like, this could be AEW without the broken philosophy. You get Sinclair to invest because they need to do that to stay in the game, which only logically makes sense at a certain level. This could, potentially, be everything AEW promised to be.
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Not to wrestle. Give his blessing to a company and maybe invest. If you decide you want to run big arenas, he sells your tickets and gets you a big TV rating too. Worth spending $10 million on the guy to do you’re going to get $100 million back.
I believe its a good idea but two problems.

When i think of the style of wrestling ROH brings and its history i don't envision The Rock. It would be like getting Kim Khardian to host the 700 club. The name value of the person doesn't match the enviroment.

Also when would Dwayne have time to even do this?
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If Sinclair is actually serious this time about investing in ROH, it should make things easier for Marty and co. current attempts to revive ROH back to its former glory days or at least as near to it as possible.

Sinclair has done stuff like this before where they open the checkbooks up for a bit and then go right back to business as usual and only sees ROH as nothing more than just cheap content for their networks.

Also Marty might not even be the head booker going by conflicting reports. If its still Delirious, then that could limit chances at real long term success considering the damage he and Bully Ray did to the creative side of the company the past few years.
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I believe its a good idea but two problems.

When i think of the style of wrestling ROH brings and its history i don't envision The Rock. It would be like getting Kim Khardian to host the 700 club. The name value of the person doesn't match the enviroment.

Also when would Dwayne have time to even do this?
Good points. I think you’re right about the style, but I think ROH should adapt and be something a bit less niche than the nostalgic ROH style. That style is everywhere now and kind of makes ROH, in that sense, redundant.

And I don’t know the man’s schedule, honestly. I’m sure it’s full. He’d need to make the time. It’d probably come out of his time to sit down and talk production with Stephen Marchant or whatever.
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If Sinclair is actually serious this time about investing in ROH, it should make things easier for Marty and co. current attempts to revive ROH back to its former glory days or at least as near to it as possible.

Sinclair has done stuff like this before where they open the checkbooks up for a bit and then go right back to business as usual and only sees ROH as nothing more than just cheap content for their networks.

Also Marty might not even be the head booker going by conflicting reports. If its still Delirious, then that could limit chances at real long term success considering the damage he and Bully Ray did to the creative side of the company the past few years.
Very true. They have gone out there for the Mexican guys in the past. If I were in Scurll’s position, I’d have needed assurances. Last thing I would want to do is be booking ROH as it is.
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Jay White is working ROH WrestleMania weekend. White is figured in pretty high up in New Japan. I'd suggest that's a good sign for the ROH/New Japan relationship, and might even imply that it's a renewed priority.

The next step might be ROH and New Japan moving away from talent that sign with AEW, and maybe even Jericho and Mox. Anyone that wants to the money and prestige of working in New Japan would have to sign with ROH. Something like that could even be a factor in influencing Jericho and Mox and their futures.
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That's probably more of Marty using his connections in NJPW to get someone for ROH's big show than a sign of a strengthening of relations between NJPW and ROH.

Plus Jericho has been worth way more to NJPW than anyone from ROH has been the past couple years considering the impact he had on New Japan subs so it would make no sense to even consider moving away from him just because of his AEW association. If anything, two of NJPW's biggest stars, Okada and Tanahashi, have been public about wanting a AEW-NJPW partnership to happen.

Also ROH's dislike of AEW supposedly has been thawing recently if the stuff about Marty's contract allowing him to work in AEW is true. Marty could be the key to letting ROH have access to The Elite again which is something they missed a lot last year.
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You're probably right. I don't attribute much ambition to the guys running things today, but that's just a big move I would make in order to get stars locked into position. Jericho's not likely to be involved in something with New Japan for a little while anyway. And if the money went into ROH and the stars went there, Tanahashi and Okada wouldn't miss AEW at all.
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Gonna take a lot to get me invested in ROH again. I’ve danced this dance with them over the years and it never could hold my interest.

But I’m rooting for them. More legit promotions for guys and gals to work and make a living is a good thing.
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Gonna take a lot to get me invested in ROH again. I’ve danced this dance with them over the years and it never could hold my interest.

But I’m rooting for them. More legit promotions for guys and gals to work and make a living is a good thing.


I feel similarly about them, but my issues are less about their internal struggles and more about when they develop homegrown talent, and they get plucked by greener pastures. It's hard to maintain an identity when you keep having to start over with fresh faces. It's almost the exact opposite of WWE in that WWE has dozens of faces they keep but don't push, ROH has people they push, but can't keep. With the exceptions of Jay Lethal and The Briscoes, pretty much anyone who has stood out has gone to WWE... or elsewhere (and the elsewhere depends on the time frame), but mostly WWE. Hell, half of current NXT consists of noted former ROH guys, up to and including everyone's favorite Keith Lee.
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Not to wrestle. Give his blessing to a company and maybe invest. If you decide you want to run big arenas, he sells your tickets and gets you a big TV rating too. Worth spending $10 million on the guy to do you’re going to get $100 million back.
Rock's not going to show up every week or two to a TV taping just to pop a mediocre rating and sell out an arena. He's too big a star to do that for anyone other than himself, unless he's fucking stupid. Newsflash, he isn't remotely close to being that fucking stupid. Rock would basically have a deal even significantly better than Hogan's late WCW TV taping deal, which would also bankrupt any company, even quicker than it bankrupted WCW.
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I am surprised Marty Scurll signed with ROH.

Given all the negative press lately with the promotion; lack of direction, qualitative medical care/personnel and just the the fact that its ROH and nobody is talking about ROH these days; at least not positively.

It's WWE, AEW, NJPW and NWA with ROH & Impact trailing immensely.

It makes you wonder about the rumors of Tony Kahn regretting signing big deals for certain guys being legit.

I honestly thought "The Librarian's" gimmick in AEW was simply an already conceived prelude to a Marty Scurll AEW debut.

Then again, a rumoured million dollar deal for 40 days a year definitely seems worth it. He will probably regret the head booker portion of the deal unless he solely wants to make sure his character is protected.
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I feel similarly about them, but my issues are less about their internal struggles and more about when they develop homegrown talent, and they get plucked by greener pastures. It's hard to maintain an identity when you keep having to start over with fresh faces. It's almost the exact opposite of WWE in that WWE has dozens of faces they keep but don't push, ROH has people they push, but can't keep. With the exceptions of Jay Lethal and The Briscoes, pretty much anyone who has stood out has gone to WWE... or elsewhere (and the elsewhere depends on the time frame), but mostly WWE. Hell, half of current NXT consists of noted former ROH guys, up to and including everyone's favorite Keith Lee.
That’s why this deal is very interesting. Bandido signing back up with them too. If someone at Sinclair has finally realized “hang on, if we don’t want fuckers to leave, we need to pay them as good as WWE,” then that is something that is going to change the landscape.

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Rock's not going to show up every week or two to a TV taping just to pop a mediocre rating and sell out an arena. He's too big a star to do that for anyone other than himself, unless he's fucking stupid. Newsflash, he isn't remotely close to being that fucking stupid. Rock would basically have a deal even significantly better than Hogan's late WCW TV taping deal, which would also bankrupt any company, even quicker than it bankrupted WCW.
It wouldn’t be every other week, lol. I don’t think he would ever wrestle anywhere. I’m just saying Sinclair could literally back a truck full of money to his house if they wanted. Spend $10 million on the guy for some sort of sponsorship deal and him to launch the show you’re getting for TV rights. You can record him saying nice things and spread interviews and segments with him out over a few weeks. Put him in the intro to the show. Only get him out to do your massive arena shows, like if you want to fill up MSG again.

I’m not suggesting you get him in like it’s 2000, lol. Even just one appearance is probably going to convince over 2 million people to watch, right? SmackDown did 3.8 million with him or whatever. If you get Raw-sized ratings out of it, then that immediately makes you #2. NXT and AEW seem to be getting about $35-50 million out of their deals at under 1 million. You get $50 million for two years and that’s enough to cover that truck filled with money.

I’m sure SB have got the reach to get Rock’s people on the line and at least present the offer. It’s just hard to imagine it because the imagery of The Rock appearing on wrestling outside WWE for millions is surreal. But maybe the idea could even be part of an eventual plan by SB to prepare themselves for a sale to, say, ViacomCBS?

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I am surprised Marty Scurll signed with ROH.

Given all the negative press lately with the promotion; lack of direction, qualitative medical care/personnel and just the the fact that its ROH and nobody is talking about ROH these days; at least not positively.

It's WWE, AEW, NJPW and NWA with ROH & Impact trailing immensely.

It makes you wonder about the rumors of Tony Kahn regretting signing big deals for certain guys being legit.

I honestly thought "The Librarian's" gimmick in AEW was simply an already conceived prelude to a Marty Scurll AEW debut.

Then again, a rumoured million dollar deal for 40 days a year definitely seems worth it. He will probably regret the head booker portion of the deal unless he solely wants to make sure his character is protected.
That’s another very interesting thing about this. I would honestly pay money to NOT have to book ROH and be charged with bringing it back up to scratch with the means currently there. That’s why I’m suspecting they’re at least willing to budge on ROH’s budget a little bit.
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I think we’ll know by WrestleMania weekend whether Sinclair are really trying to play. The clues will be in where Brodie Lee, Matt Hardy and FTR go. If they go, predictably, to AEW, then, well, I guess it will be business as usual. But if they end up in ROH, something is going on.

ROH can get talent with money (Sinclair) and prestige (New Japan). We’ll see if either of those tools is utilized outside Marty Scurll.
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I am surprised Marty Scurll signed with ROH.

Given all the negative press lately with the promotion; lack of direction, qualitative medical care/personnel and just the the fact that its ROH and nobody is talking about ROH these days; at least not positively.
Maybe there's a feeling that this might be a move to change that perception? A positive shift has to start somewhere. Maybe there's the feeling that this is that catalyst.

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It makes you wonder about the rumors of Tony Kahn regretting signing big deals for certain guys being legit.
I personally think he unintentionally got signed a bill of goods.

What I mean by that is that, at this point, there should have been an influx of underused, disgruntled WWE talent that jumped ship to bolster the roster... but WWE went in a more business savvy (read: petty "toy collecting") direction by not only not doing their usual WrestleMania spring cleaning last year, but holding on to some of the squeakiest wheels (like Sasha Banks or The Revival), adding any injury time to the ends of some of their contracts, throwing more money at them, and starting the shift to 5 year deal contracts. It's also why I think we see some of the same guys on AEW TV all the time: we weren't supposed to, because there was expected to be more talent on the roster well before now.
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I think you are right about those talent contracts. It was probably a little while ago now, but Cody cutting that promo about how AEW is the Ellis Island of professional wrestling is a bit cringe, considering they haven't signed anybody of note since Moxley, which was prior to their first PPV.

The concept of AEW got Moxley, Jericho and JR in, but the execution of it has seen every single other person sign with WWE. Except for Kris Statlander. No one else is going. I've seen a lot of excuses about AEW not being a sure-thing yet for the wrestlers, but we know how rich those Khans are. Their offers should be realistically big enough that you don't need Vince ever again. This should be a post-Vince McMahon world for professional wrestling. AJ Styles, Shinsuke Nakamura, Randy Orton, Brock Lesnar, Daniel Bryan, The Usos, Cain Velasquez, Rey Mysterio, CM fucking Punk -- they've also decided to sign with WWE in a world where they need something, even if it hadn't been named yet, was in the works.

And I blame their content. I really do. Either the top guys know they are going to have to work with the geeks at some point, or be nice to them on a show they are undermining. And that content is why people stopped watching or DVR this shit to cycle through. They've average about 800k viewers or whatever, and that's a lot less people to see you perform every week than logic would tell you pro-wrestling on basic cable with a billionaire backing it can get. There are fucking over 2 million people who sit through Raw each week.

TNT may or may not be happy with the numbers. I think there's a debate there. Some people just assume because it's better than what was in the slot and the demo is high, they must be happy. I think more market research would be needed to see if that representation of the demo are desired clientele, and whether AEW is actually selling those ad spots for a lot of money. But even if they are, they aren't exactly making new fans, they're starting to cool off, they're losing a lot of their goodwill (particularly because of the booking from Omega and The Bucks and their insecure responses to criticism), and that bottom could fall out.

NXT was always going to beat them. I was pretty sure of that from day one. Meltzer made all the bullshit claims about Vince taking it over. That didn't make sense. Vince knows this exists because of him and a response to WWE programming. I've heard people actually talk about NXT getting nervous and hot-shotting. Like, what? We still haven't gotten that Cole vs. Ciampa match they've been sitting on since like the third episode. AEW are the group that seem to be setting up about eight heel turns, have three brooding evil factions and for weeks were ending with brawls.

And you always new that NXT were so assured. And they can always call in a Rey Mysterio or a Daniel Bryan -- guys that AEW would kill to have. But they haven't needed to. They could even shock the world and make that the place for Ronda Rousey and/or John Cena if they do any work with WWE. Where is AEW going to draw its next Chris Jericho from? NXT is going to be beating them when it gets back into the swing of things, and AEW is going to panic more and more, pull the trigger on things to chase the feeling that the show is at least "interesting," and buildings are going to get emptier and emptier and PPVs are going to get harder and harder to sell.

And that is why talent isn't going. That is why anyone with an agent or anyone talking to experts, or listening to someone that isn't Dave Meltzer have been sketchy about it. It really is a vanity project run by a money-mark. And people in wrestling can sniff that wrestling stank.

Oh, and it's why New Japan have been hesitant to get into bed with them too. I'm pretty sure Tony would have thought he'd be able to make a big enough offer to get least one of those WWE names to jump (he seemed really cut about Orton). And having the big stars and the TNT exposure and Omega and The Bucks being "so great" and important to New Japan that would be crawling back. Nope.

He's also put these guys in executive positions when there is no history of them ever displaying they know the first thing about booking, or talent scouting or whatever. They either lied to get the positions, or they're stupid enough to genuinely think they are the best people for the job. But old Tones has been sold a bill of goods from a few directions I think, and it'll be interesting to see if that TV rights money ever comes in to justify those giant contracts for Jericho and Jim Ross.
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Sorry, I try not to bash AEW, because I know people get really hurt by it, but that just came out, lol. I'm so disappointed with them. Now even the guys that would have been signed out of nepotism are signing elsewhere. Lol, Marty Scurll is part of the fucking Elite and he's not signed to All Elite Wrestling.
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. Lol, Marty Scurll is part of the fucking Elite and he's not signed to All Elite Wrestling.
I don't see it so much as a LOL move. More of a different route to the same end. Remember their whole thing about "taking over" being a little more meta than just appearing at a bunch of different feds. Omega said he was super close to just going to WWE when they offered upon leaving Japan.

Marty doesn't *have* to show up in AEW just because his friends are there. It's similar to my stance about Renee still being in WWE no matter what Mox does. If it works for her, there's no reason for her to leave, and if it works for the company, there's no reason for her to be forced out the door; they didn't need to make the mistake they made with AJ Lee with her.

Who knows? Maybe he'll come in later in a similar capacity to help things along when he has some backstage cred under his belt. Or umbrella. Or plague mask. Whatever.
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Oh yeah, but he was a no-brainer to sign and now ROH are making bigger moves than AEW. Just fascinating. So much more entertaining than the actual wrestling, lol.
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I doubt anybody including Marty himself thought a contract like this from ROH would’ve been possible. It was a no-brainer for him to take it.

7 figure salary to work 40 dates, booking responsibilities, and continuing to stay as a top card guy whereas in AEW I think he would’ve stayed behind Jericho, Mox, Cody, MJF, Kenny and others.

Good for the guy. Interested in seeing how it works out.
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It's not 7 figures. They are saying WWE main roster money which is probably in the 275-350k range. Still a great deal for 40 dates, major creative control and the ability to work NJPW.
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Noids excited about a guy booking a company that is close friends with the guys running a company he hates. Also thinks ROH would pay the Rock for what is pretty much just a social media shout out. Glad you've found your new wrestling fantasy though.
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I doubt anybody including Marty himself thought a contract like this from ROH would’ve been possible. It was a no-brainer for him to take it.

7 figure salary to work 40 dates, booking responsibilities, and continuing to stay as a top card guy whereas in AEW I think he would’ve stayed behind Jericho, Mox, Cody, MJF, Kenny and others.

Good for the guy. Interested in seeing how it works out.
It’s not a bad deal, but it’s not something that couldn’t be duplicated. AEW absolutely could have matched it. Then Scurll would be on TV in front of a lot more people. WWE would have matched it. They would absolutely want a dude with all that potential to choose them.

I think too much is made of positioning. He’d behind Jericho? Yeah, but so? Jericho has been sharing a ring with Jungle Boy, MJF and Marko fucking Stunt. They need more quality in their mid-card and people to bring along. Being the best thing outside the immediate main event could be a great thing. And guys like Mox and Cody are going to need people to feud with when they’re done with their current programs.

Not saying the ROH isn’t great. I’m just not sure it’s a no-brainer.
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It's not 7 figures. They are saying WWE main roster money which is probably in the 275-350k range. Still a great deal for 40 dates, major creative control and the ability to work NJPW.
WWE main roster money is $500k. I’m pretty sure that’s what they were paying Mike Bennett to go out and be emasculated. If he’s getting main roster money, then it’s at least $500k. Over two years, that’s seven figures. On top of that, he’ll either be getting paid extra or separately for his role backstage. I’m not sure if it pushes him up to over $1 million per year, but it’s not completely unfathomable.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect View Post
Oh yeah, but he was a no-brainer to sign and now ROH are making bigger moves than AEW. Just fascinating. So much more entertaining than the actual wrestling, lol.
What moves? They signed a guy most people have never heard of... fuck I’m a somewhat lapsed admittedly wrestling fan and I don’t have a clue who the guy is.
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