wrestlers fined / Renee told to stop Dancing

[Batsu]

WTF?

Rene Dupree... getting in trouble for doing a dance? What is this, the NFL?

What was so bad about the Rhyno match, I wonder?

[The CyNick]

If they fined Rene for doing his dance, I guess Flair must be in line for a bunch of fines because his wooo's his face bump and his struts always get huge babyface pops, yet he's supposed to be part of the lead heel faction in the company. So looks like Flair's wallet will be much lighter. Unless there is a double standard......

[Mr. JL]

if fining Dupree for doing his dance is legit... the WWE management are dumber than I originally thought.

[The Show Off]

Originally Posted by The CyNick If they fined Rene for doing his dance, I guess Flair must be in line for a bunch of fines because his wooo's his face bump and his struts always get huge babyface pops, yet he's supposed to be part of the lead heel faction in the company. So looks like Flair's wallet will be much lighter. Unless there is a double standard......

It's not a double standard... Ric Flair can quell all of his babyface reactions with equally good, if not better, heel reastions. Dupree isn't old enough or good enough to quell babyface reactions with equal heel reatctions, he's just not good enough of a ring worker yet. Another diffrence is that when Flair wrestles and talks on the mic he does both really well. Dupree is thought of by management as putting on poor, lazy matches.

Also you have to realize that Rene Dupree has been looked at as pompus jerk in the eyes of most people in the WWE. He thinks he deserves a lot more from the buisness then he has yet to earn, where as Flair has earned the right to be vocal backstage because he's a legend in the buisness. They want Rene to learn early that when they tell him to do something he damn well better do it. But Dupree insists on doing his stupid dance, thus being totally unprofessional in the ring. The Flair has done a lot of unprofessional things on planes and backstage before, he is always 100% professional when he's in the ring. Flair earned the ring to do with his character what he wants, Rene hasn't.

Perhaps it is a double standard, but it is a legit double standard.

Your talking about a green rookie and one of the three greatest wrestlers of all time, as if the should be equal? They're not. When Rene is in the buisness for over 20 years and has won the World Championship 16 times, and carried a whole wrestling promotion on his back, then he and Flair should be looked at as equals... Until then Flair can chop, strut, and wooo all he wants, because his name draws... As for Dupree, his name is worthless in the wrestling buisness right now, so he should learn to do as he's told, because the last thing we need is another out of control ego in the wrestling buisness.

In closing....

Flair has earned his right to do as he pleases in the ring... Dupree has not.

[DaveWadding]

Originally Posted by The Show Off legit double standard.

Oxy...moron?

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by The Show Off It's not a double standard... Ric Flair can quell all of his babyface reactions with equally good, if not better, heel reastions. Dupree isn't old enough or good enough to quell babyface reactions with equal heel reatctions, he's just not good enough of a ring worker yet. Another diffrence is that when Flair wrestles and talks on the mic he does both really well. Dupree is thought of by management as putting on poor, lazy matches. Also you have to realize that Rene Dupree has been looked at as pompus jerk in the eyes of most people in the WWE. He thinks he deserves a lot more from the buisness then he has yet to earn, where as Flair has earned the right to be vocal backstage because he's a legend in the buisness. They want Rene to learn early that when they tell him to do something he damn well better do it. But Dupree insists on doing his stupid dance, thus being totally unprofessional in the ring. The Flair has done a lot of unprofessional things on planes and backstage before, he is always 100% professional when he's in the ring. Flair earned the ring to do with his character what he wants, Rene hasn't. Perhaps it is a double standard, but it is a legit double standard. Your talking about a green rookie and one of the three greatest wrestlers of all time, as if the should be equal? They're not. When Rene is in the buisness for over 20 years and has won the World Championship 16 times, and carried a whole wrestling promotion on his back, then he and Flair should be looked at as equals... Until then Flair can chop, strut, and wooo all he wants, because his name draws... As for Dupree, his name is worthless in the wrestling buisness right now, so he should learn to do as he's told, because the last thing we need is another out of control ego in the wrestling buisness. In closing.... Flair has earned his right to do as he pleases in the ring... Dupree has not.

That was some marky shit right there.

Who cares what Flair has done in the PAST? This 2004 not 1984.

Look at one of his matches, the crowd is totally into him as a babyface and he does nothing to stop it. And even if he tries to do something like insult someone in the crowd he still gets cheered. If he was such a great superstar and he was such a professional he would stop doing the trademark things that get cheers and focus on being a heel. So you say he "can" quell the responses, but the FACT is he doesn't.

My point with Rene, as others have pointed out, is that its a stupid thing to ask of him because it will hurt his ability to get over. Rock did the People's Elbow for a long time, and yeah it got cheers, but he still managed to be an effective heel. This is just a case of the company handing out punishment for no good reason other than to show a rookie his place. Of course that mentality has ensured that they have been unable to create a new superstar who can draw in the last 4 years.

BTW, Flair doesn't draw any money anymore, if you think he does you've lost your mind.

[mitch_h]

Originally Posted by The CyNick That was some marky shit right there.

You are king!

[The Show Off]

Originally Posted by The CyNick That was some marky shit right there. Who cares what Flair has done in the PAST? This 2004 not 1984. Look at one of his matches, the crowd is totally into him as a babyface and he does nothing to stop it. And even if he tries to do something like insult someone in the crowd he still gets cheered. If he was such a great superstar and he was such a professional he would stop doing the trademark things that get cheers and focus on being a heel. So you say he "can" quell the responses, but the FACT is he doesn't. My point with Rene, as others have pointed out, is that its a stupid thing to ask of him because it will hurt his ability to get over. Rock did the People's Elbow for a long time, and yeah it got cheers, but he still managed to be an effective heel. This is just a case of the company handing out punishment for no good reason other than to show a rookie his place. Of course that mentality has ensured that they have been unable to create a new superstar who can draw in the last 4 years. BTW, Flair doesn't draw any money anymore, if you think he does you've lost your mind.

That's a fair point and all, but I still think Flair has earned his rights to do as he pleases, where as Rene hasn't...

By the way...
Flair doesn't draw money anymore... He does draw money, just not a lot of it... I guarentee that if you put Dupree at the top of a card up, he wouldn't even be close to drawing as much as Flair could in the same position.

I just think it's stupid that people are getting upset at the WWE stopping a guy from doing a stupid dance. Who cares if he dances or not?

I suppose what I say doesn't matter anyway, because people just like to go along with the status quo, so saying stuff like Dupree sucks, and Flair has earned rights other wrestlers haven't, it basically like me killing a puppy around here.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by The Show Off That's a fair point and all, but I still think Flair has earned his rights to do as he pleases, where as Rene hasn't... By the way... Flair doesn't draw money anymore... He does draw money, just not a lot of it... I guarentee that if you put Dupree at the top of a card up, he wouldn't even be close to drawing as much as Flair could in the same position. I just think it's stupid that people are getting upset at the WWE stopping a guy from doing a stupid dance. Who cares if he dances or not? I suppose what I say doesn't matter anyway, because people just like to go along with the status quo, so saying stuff like Dupree sucks, and Flair has earned rights other wrestlers haven't, it basically like me killing a puppy around here.

You're wrong about Flair. If Flair were to leave the company today, business would be exactly the same, no better no worse. Flair is never put in a position to draw money, so its impossible to say he draws a little bit or a lot of money. Maybe if he was headlining you could say he's a draw, but he isn't so you cant say he is a draw (correctly anyway).

And you made my point by saying "who cares if he dances or not?" Thats the point right there. The WWE shouldn't care if he dances, as long as it gets a reaction why stop him from doing it? People are still going to boo him because he acts like an ass, carries around a poodle and waves a French flag. And again, just turn him baby if thats what the fans want.

[The Show Off]

Originally Posted by The CyNick You're wrong about Flair. If Flair were to leave the company today, business would be exactly the same, no better no worse. Flair is never put in a position to draw money, so its impossible to say he draws a little bit or a lot of money. Maybe if he was headlining you could say he's a draw, but he isn't so you cant say he is a draw (correctly anyway). And you made my point by saying "who cares if he dances or not?" Thats the point right there. The WWE shouldn't care if he dances, as long as it gets a reaction why stop him from doing it? People are still going to boo him because he acts like an ass, carries around a poodle and waves a French flag. And again, just turn him baby if thats what the fans want.

You right that the WWE will do the exact same buisness that they would with or with out Flair... I'm just saying that Flair is a bigger name the Dupree. When you put it the way you did about how the WWE shouldn't care, I guess you got a point there, in a perfect world they should really back off and let the guys do there thing. From everything I've heard Dupree is an arrogant jerk backstage, and I think that maybe if the use this "control" of his character as a way of making him be a bit more humble backstage, it'll be a good thing. Kinda like they say, "If your going to be a jerk then were going to keep taking away certian rights. If you start being a better team player then you can have it back." It's a good way of using negitive re-enforcment. Like I said in an earlier post Dupree has a lot of promise but if he ends up being another glory hog pain in the ass, it's not worth it.

But all and all, you convinced me of what you were saying Cynick

[Thriller]

Originally Posted by Batsu WTF? Rene Dupree... getting in trouble for doing a dance? What is this, the NFL? What was so bad about the Rhyno match, I wonder?

Booker T was told noot to do the spinirooni for the same reason.

As for the Rhyno/Tajri match.Ther were alot of rest holds and Vince found the match the be boring.So he came out humilated both wrestlers and then called for the next match which was a bikini contest.Talk a slap in the face

[.44 Magdalene]

Wtf?

Bradshaw can do a nazi salute, but Rene can't A;J;DJ;JF DANCE?!

I know it's totally different situations, but WTF? :foc: Seriously. Add this to what the guy above said about Ric Flair. "Double standard" needs a stronger word.