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Old 07-21-2022, 06:12 AM   #201
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I called that the whole time lol.
My hat’s off to you. I didn’t think they would fuck this up already. I guess it’s been about 4 weeks.
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Old 07-21-2022, 06:22 AM   #202
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Not gonna be surprised when Luchasaurus turns again during this feud either.
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Old 07-21-2022, 06:24 AM   #203
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Feel like when JB faces Christian eventually that Luchasaurus will probably beat down both of them. Which is fine, and they probably should do that, but skipped the first 2 turns along the way.
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Old 07-21-2022, 07:00 AM   #204
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This is Vince Russo-esque stuff.

Luchasaurus has got nothing on his own. He was fine as Christian’s lackey. This makes everyone less interesting.
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Old 07-21-2022, 07:00 AM   #205
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If Luchasaurus turns again…why the first turn? If he doesn’t…why the first turn?
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Old 07-21-2022, 07:28 AM   #206
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Woof..... this sad.
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General reaction to the main event and aftermath is about as negative as I've ever seen for an AEW show. Even on the sub-Reddit which rarely criticizes the booking.

Just an absolute trainwreck of a match, which was probably inevitable with the stipulations. No Sammy and Tay in the shark cage/Ruby controlling the cage all made it very obvious from the jump that there was gonna be an overbooked finish. BCC/JAS had a damn Blood and Guts match which by all rights should be the be-all, end-all for a feud yet they're still out there brawling again. And, of course, Jericho going over in the supposed blowoff.
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Old 07-21-2022, 07:49 AM   #208
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Jericho seems like someone self-conscious enough about bad feedback that he'll try to lobby Khan behind the scenes for one final match with Eddie. But All Out is still another 6 weeks out and that's a long way to keep dragging this out.

I think the real reason Jericho went over and the stables are still at war is so that this can be segued into Jericho/Mox, with an eye towards having a backup plan in place in case Punk isn't cleared.
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While Jericho would be a "safe" name to chuck into a PPV main in a time when people are out, I personally would have some challenges with plucking down $50 for a Jericho-headlined PPV in 2022. Especially for a PPV title match they've already done before. Not to say I wouldn't order the show but the undercard would need to carry my interest to get me to do so. Christian/Jungle Boy is at least a good start.

Of course if Punk returns then it'll obviously be Punk/Mox and I guess any Mox/Jericho contingency plan could be a Dynamite main, which would work for me.
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Old 07-21-2022, 08:49 AM   #210
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Eddie Kingston's finisher is so dumb.

I don't know why that's my first post about this show, but here we are.
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Old 07-21-2022, 08:55 AM   #211
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I never liked it even when Kawada did it. Looks uncomfortable and awkward for the person applying it.
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I think the real reason Jericho went over and the stables are still at war is so that this can be segued into Jericho/Mox, with an eye towards having a backup plan in place in case Punk isn't cleared.
Yeah Jericho wrestling Moxley for the world title at All Out is the only logical reason I can think of to have him beat Kingston in that match
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Old 07-21-2022, 10:57 AM   #213
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Yeah Jericho wrestling Moxley for the world title at All Out is the only logical reason I can think of to have him beat Kingston in that match
I still think we're getting another Football Field Fuckery match.
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Old 07-21-2022, 11:18 AM   #214
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AEW likes the smell of its own farts. It drinks its own urine for sustainence. They think Jericho/Kingston is amazing stuff and will keep it going for as long as they want. And look at how full that building was.
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Woof..... this sad.
Anyone who thinks this isn’t the hot ticket is clearly out of touch.
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Woof..... this sad.
Come on man, even if actual people do not show up, Tony Khan still buys all the tickets, thus it counts as a sell out!!! Promoter of the Year
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Really starting to feel like Khan should assemble some kind of writing staff. AEW will have some really good ideas, but can only ever seem to flesh out one of them at a time.

They have a weakness when it comes to guiding a feud to its end, too often they keeps them limping forward as they run out of steam.
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Come on man, even if actual people do not show up, Tony Khan still buys all the tickets, thus it counts as a sell out!!! Promoter of the Year
Would this shock anyone?
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Old 07-21-2022, 12:28 PM   #220
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Really starting to feel like Khan should assemble some kind of writing staff. AEW will have some really good ideas, but can only ever seem to flesh out one of them at a time.

They have a weakness when it comes to guiding a feud to its end, too often they keeps them limping forward as they run out of steam.
AEW’s booking has sucked since day one.
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Old 07-21-2022, 12:45 PM   #221
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Really starting to feel like Khan should assemble some kind of writing staff. AEW will have some really good ideas, but can only ever seem to flesh out one of them at a time.

They have a weakness when it comes to guiding a feud to its end, too often they keeps them limping forward as they run out of steam.
Do you think it has anything to do with booking fewer PPVs? I know WWE has a tendency to go to the well one too many times with some of their feuds but you can’t really go more than 3 big shows tops before the feud/match gets stale. Not having those defined points seems things can just keep rolling.
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Do you think it has anything to do with booking fewer PPVs? I know WWE has a tendency to go to the well one too many times with some of their feuds but you can’t really go more than 3 big shows tops before the feud/match gets stale. Not having those defined points seems things can just keep rolling.
I do think the PPV schedule has something to do it and that Khan does think you can "just keep rolling" but I don't agree with that approach. I feel like when you only have 4 PPVs a year, there should be an incentive to keep things fresh.

They've done Eddie and Jericho at 2 PPVs now - once solo and once as part of a big team match. That's fine. But since then they've done another bigass team match on TV and now another singles match. And the latest match was a clusterfuck. Why would I want to see them wrestle again on PPV? I've had my fill of this.

Plus AEW does at least one big Dynamite per month when there isn't a PPV. Do a blowoff there if you need to. You don't have to find ways to artificially stretch a story to the next PPV when you've told all you can with the story. At some point you gotta Mo Vaughn.
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Can't see the above tweets as the account is now suspended. What were they?
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I’m not interested in seeing Kingston v Jericho anymore. It’s hard its run. Jericho wins. That’s fine. Fuel him up for a big TV match against Moxley for the belt in a few weeks and call it a day and move on.

I didn’t mind the match last night at all. It was fine. But that’s gotta be it. I don’t want to see them keep going at it.

They should feed Jericho to Wardlow at All Put. He needs a win over an established main event level talent and the JAS can play test dummies for him leading up to the ppv.

I’m not sure where Kingston goes from here. Think he heads a little hiatus.
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Quite a bad dynamite. The swerve/Lee stuff was so bad, one of the worst segments I’ve seen in AEW.

Gunn club and The Acclaimed is currently the best program in AEW. While both are really fun, there’s nothing else going on really. Shame. I’m finding myself skipping more and more of each show.

Also in a time when they’re missing so many big names, why are they not showcasing Hangman more? Why is he back teaming with dark order in a feud that would be lucky to make the pre show of a ppv.
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Seem to be suffering from a lot of the absences, but it might be a chance for them to make the next PPV more streamlined and strong rather than a bunch of multi man matches just to get everyone on the card

Something like

Mox vs Hangman
Christian vs Jungle Boy
Miro vs Malakai Black
Darby/Sting vs House of Black
FTR vs Swerve/Lee (give FTR all the belts)
Wardlow vs I dunno, Jericho to get him on the card and give Wardlow a big win?
Thunder Rosa vs Jade (just scrap their respective feuds and merge the belts)
The Acclaimed vs Gunn Club
PAC vs Claudio Castagnoli

That feels tighter, fresher and better than the last PPV, highlighting the guys they have left while so many are absent and not cramming every single person on the roster Into a match.
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they were clips of the ending of the match and jas escaping the cage set to music
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I actually forgot about Hangman

wowza, that's not good
Like Hook he needs to be on tv, Dynamite, the main show, regularly
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Honestly though we’ll probably get something more like

Mox vs Orange Cassidy
Miro/Darby/Sting vs House of Black
FTR vs jay Lethal and Satnam Singh
Gunn Club vs The Acclaimed
Thunder Rosa vs Toni Storm vs Britt Baker vs Jamie Hayter
Jade Cargill vs Athena
Best Friends vs Wheeler Yuta and Claudio
Hangman, Silver, Reynolds and Uno vs Butcher, Blade and Private party
Andrade and Rush vs Lucha Bros
Eddie Kingston vs Sammy Guevara in a death barbed wire cage match
Tay Conti and Anna Jay vs Ruby Soho and Kris Statlander
Swerve/Lee vs Tony Nese and Smart Mark Sterling (some sort of legal silliness where he brings in a replacement… A HUGE DEBUT SUPERSTAR)
Wardlow vs Matt Hardy
Ricky Starks and Hobbs vs Hook and Danhausen
Casino face of the battle royal ladder revolution stampede match - Winner: Dante Martin
PAC in a backstage interview where a match for Rampage is set up
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I actually forgot about Hangman

wowza, that's not good
Like Hook he needs to be on tv, Dynamite, the main show, regularly
Has anybody got any kind of rub from Phil?

Darby is basically a jobber.
Page is relegated to Rampage teaming with whatever members of a faction contracts haven't expired yet.
MJF is not even on TV anymore.
FTR have be come blubbering idiots.
Colt Cabana got demoted to Ring of Honor.
Eddie Kingston has just got more out of shape.
The Young talents like Dustin Rhodes and Matt Sydal haven't learned anything new.
He brainwashed Tiny into not caring about booking anybody else good, just wasting Bryan Danielson on some Wheeler Yuta level bullshit.
He is so overpaid Cody said fuck it and left.
He damaged a guardrail with his stupid foot.
He made the AEW World Title a joke by winning it as the biggest failure in UFC History.
He somehow got his hands up a few TPWW users asses and has been puppeteering them ever since.
He has been more of a waste of Shad Khan's money than Nick Foles.
Much like the ratings, his number of teeth have dwindled at an alarming rate.
Pretty sure that dude has eyebrow lice.
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Old 07-21-2022, 08:02 PM   #236
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Main event was a disaster on so many fronts. Im going to say it again I just cant buy into Eddie. Reminds me of a drunk uncle at a BBQ when he promos and is in no way intimidating or smooth in ring. I like his suplex, thats about it so my hopes for and interest in this match were pretty low anyway.

I dont want JB and Lucha back together, feels rushed given they like to tell a long story. Should have let Lucha slowly build some resentment to Christians shenanigans then turn back if your dead set on it. If he goes back to coming out with JB thats a miss in my books. If he kinda floats around both of them and doesnt take a side as such I can live with that.

Wheres Hangman... can we get that man in a program ASAP please? Really wish they kept the belt on him.
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I think the idea is that Lucha is that puppy that will follow anyone around that he knows.
I liked the ending to the exploding barbwire match better than that clusterfuck they put on last night.
I'm sure Kingston is blaming Jericho or Claudio
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Do you think it has anything to do with booking fewer PPVs? I know WWE has a tendency to go to the well one too many times with some of their feuds but you can’t really go more than 3 big shows tops before the feud/match gets stale. Not having those defined points seems things can just keep rolling.
There are benefits to doing more PPVs. Beyond increasing your profit margin, you can also get people conditioned to spending money on your product, which builds warm pathways in fans’ brains. It can also strengthen television by giving it a focus in and out of these special events.

That being said, there are downsides too. Buyrates in general might drop, which could give the appearance of the product cooling and shine a light on the false context people like Dave Meltzer try to throw AEW’s way (better performing product than ECW, which just isn’t true). And look at how TK books the TNT specials. Look at their PPVs when there are only 4 or 5. Adding more is probably going to make everything more shit.

In theory, a product with a steadier hand would do better with monthly specials.

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Also in a time when they’re missing so many big names, why are they not showcasing Hangman more? Why is he back teaming with dark order in a feud that would be lucky to make the pre show of a ppv.
AEW is there to play out TK’s childhood insecurities in front of a live audience. That’s why so many programs are about friends not being true friends and why he’s attached to babyfaces being loyal to absolute losers.

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Seem to be suffering from a lot of the absences, but it might be a chance for them to make the next PPV more streamlined and strong rather than a bunch of multi man matches just to get everyone on the card

Something like

Mox vs Hangman
Christian vs Jungle Boy
Miro vs Malakai Black
Darby/Sting vs House of Black
FTR vs Swerve/Lee (give FTR all the belts)
Wardlow vs I dunno, Jericho to get him on the card and give Wardlow a big win?
Thunder Rosa vs Jade (just scrap their respective feuds and merge the belts)
The Acclaimed vs Gunn Club
PAC vs Claudio Castagnoli

That feels tighter, fresher and better than the last PPV, highlighting the guys they have left while so many are absent and not cramming every single person on the roster Into a match.
I didn’t keep track of whowas and wasn’t injured, but I put together a card for “Fight for the Fallen” or “FyterFest” which could have been their PPV after Forbidden Door. You could have done BCC vs. JAS in a War Games main event just fine. Christian Cage or Luchasaurus vs. Jungle Boy or even someone like Matt Hardy should JB be out. It’s not hard to put together a more captivating card than what they ultimately end up doing. I’ll slap one together for an August PPV (turns out our cards are very similar):

* Jon Moxley defends the AEW World Title against Miro. Story is simple: Miro joins Team Taz because he wants backup in becoming God’s Chosen Champion. He can talk shit about Danielson being injured stemming from Full Gear. God has removed him from the picture, he will now do the same to Moxley. He can bring in CJ Perry to be God’s Blessing from Heaven in his corner. Miro can see CJ and Hook exchanging looks, however…

* Will Hobbs vs. Claudio Castagnoli. Claudio might be a guy who can get a good showing out of Hobbs. You could make this for the ROH World Title if you absolutely have to.

* Ricky Starks vs. Wheeler Yuta - Yuta beats Starks for the FTW Title, because I’m playing their game where they want Yuta to be something. Starks beats Yuta for the ROH Pure Title. He starts calling it the “ROH World Pure Title.” Starks is going back for his FTW Title here. I thought about making this a Ladder Match, but it’s really not necessary.

* The Young Bucks vs. FTR can have their rubber match. Basically books itself at this point.

* The Gunn Club vs. The Acclaimed for the AEW Tag Team Championship. Basically hobbled together. Lee & Swerve suck. The Gunn Clun can cheat them out of the belts on a Rampage or something. This feud has got more going on than just about any tag thing. Put the belts on The Ass Boys and let them go against The Acclaimed. Scorpio Sky & Ethan Page can be watching from the side. Refocus that tag division. You can put Paul Wight with The Acclaimed, since he’s still a bigger TV star than almost anyone in the promotion, and he can cancel out Billy Gunn here.

* Thunder Rosa vs. Britt Baker. Not the most captivating match, but I suppose given their history you can throw a stipulation in. The goal here is to get the belt back on Britt Baker in time for a unification match at All Out.

* Jade Cargill vs. Athena would be for the TBS Title and just to keep Jade strong as she heads to the big match with Britt Baker.

* Luchasaurus vs. Jungle Boy. If Jungle Boy wins he gets Christian Cage. This positions the fans behind Jungle Boy. Luchasaurus could win this match and put more blockers up in front of JB, or there could be a DQ ending where Christian wants the match “now” and beats the piss out of JB.

* PAC vs. Rey Fenix can open the show for the All-Atlantic Championship. They can just go out there and do their quick-paced stuff. They’re two of the best at it.

* Since he should probably be on PPV, you can have Wardlow defend the TNT Title against Chris Jericho and hope that working with Jericho doesn’t drag Wardlow down. The story can be that Sammy wants the TNT Title back. Wardlow powerbombs him into oblivion and Jericho feels that his group is slighted. With the TBS Title going into the Women’s Title, you can do the same with the TNT Title and the World Title, giving Jericho an ulterior motive for going after it.

*Darby Allin is in this program with that fucking idiot faction, I guess. Throw him into a match with Malakai Black. If Sting is cleared, The House of Black can face Darby, Sting and Adam Page…because, I dunno. Maybe two of the pillars teaming together could be a thing?

That’s 11 matches. I wanted to keep it to 9, but hey, 11 can work. You’ve got a little bit of something for everyone and things progress. And there is a bit of a cogency to the programs. Mox/Miro, Claudio/Hobbs and Wheeler/Starks all center around the same overarching program with their own personal flare involved in both. The tag team division stuff has things going on. The women are getting a more deliberate focus. And you’ve got Christian and Sting & Darby in their own personal programs.
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Going over it, I’d probably have Andrade challenge PAC for the All-Atlantic Championship coming off the Ric Flair tag team. You might be able to get away with Flair appearing in Andrade’s corner for the match. It would make sense for Andrade to want the All-Atlantic belt.

Fenix can team with his brother and beat Lee & Swerve on the pre-show and then Swerve can kick the dead weight to curb and move into some sort of singles program.
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