Thoughts about Vengeance

[Loose Cannon]

I never thought about the Edge thing, but that would be pretty crappy to just have Edge run in thier and pin Batista for the Title, while he's knocked out. They need to have a match. I was thinking Edge would be the next opponent for Batista, if/when Batista beats HHH at the PPV.

On Cena, yea, I wouldn't have him drop any Title so soon, but to me, it just seems like the WWE is more behind Batista then Cena. But HHH has been beat twice in a row, so maybe he finally gets the win on Batista. Or Maybe Batista wins and goes to Smackdown, so the WWE would set up HHH/Cena. Then that would mean the two babyfaces walking out as Champions.

Tough call.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon I never thought about the Edge thing, but that would be pretty crappy to just have Edge run in thier and pin Batista for the Title, while he's knocked out. They need to have a match. I was thinking Edge would be the next opponent for Batista, if/when Batista beats HHH at the PPV. On Cena, yea, I wouldn't have him drop any Title so soon, but to me, it just seems like the WWE is more behind Batista then Cena. But HHH has been beat twice in a row, so maybe he finally gets the win on Batista. Or Maybe Batista wins and goes to Smackdown, so the WWE would set up HHH/Cena. Then that would mean the two babyfaces walking out as Champions. Tough call.

I disagree on Cena-Batista, again look at what Cena is doing, he's got the CD, the music video, appearances on various media outlets, the movie. I dont see the WWE rushing out to put Batista on any TV shows.

The only reason Batista is in the spot he's in is because he's working with HHH. Once that is over, Batista's time on top will be over too. Unless he goes to SD as champ over there and HHH stays on RAW.

Even this past week, Cena's angle was pushed much heavier than Batista's. If you look at the final segment, Batista came off as a B-level player behind HHH, Angle and HBK. Whereas Cena was given a lot more time to get over his angle. Even though it was positioned lower on the card (again because its not the spot with Hunter) I still felt like they were making Cena seem like the bigger deal. Moreover I thought they went out of their way to make Batista again like a B-level top star.

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by The CyNick I disagree on Cena-Batista, again look at what Cena is doing, he's got the CD, the music video, appearances on various media outlets, the movie. I dont see the WWE rushing out to put Batista on any TV shows. The only reason Batista is in the spot he's in is because he's working with HHH. Once that is over, Batista's time on top will be over too. Unless he goes to SD as champ over there and HHH stays on RAW. Even this past week, Cena's angle was pushed much heavier than Batista's. If you look at the final segment, Batista came off as a B-level player behind HHH, Angle and HBK. Whereas Cena was given a lot more time to get over his angle. Even though it was positioned lower on the card (again because its not the spot with Hunter) I still felt like they were making Cena seem like the bigger deal. Moreover I thought they went out of their way to make Batista again like a B-level top star.

Yea, I think the reason why I see the WWE as being more behind Batista is because he's in that main spot with Hunter. Cena being thrown in with 2 mid-carders, which is sad because they shouldn't be seen as mid-carders, got me thinking like that.

Let's say Batista loses and Cena wins. Hunter goes to Smackdown. Now who does Cena feud with? Do Cena and Batista do the babyface match thing and feud with each other. You can't really put Christian or Jericho with Cena afterwards, if Cena retains, because they're not main eventers now. You have Edge, but Edge and Cena have no heat behind them to build a Title match for Summerslam so quick. Edge/Batista is thw wiser choice.

Maybe Angle vs Cena for Summerslam?

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon Maybe Angle vs Cena for Summerslam?

I heard that a while back.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I just can't see Triple H winning the World Heavyweight Championship and going to SD!. It makes sense to give SD! a top heel, but it doesn't make sense to do it this way, because it completely buries Batista. He loses against Triple H, remains on RAW secondary to Cena, and it destroys everything we have experienced for the last few months.

The only way I can see Triple H becomming a six-time World Heavyweight Champion is if he beats Batista with Orton's help. It highlights the rage Orton has towards Batista, because Orton is helping his worst enemy get to the top again in the process of hurting Batista. Triple H and Batista would then end up on SD! that week, with a Triple Threat between the three headlinging Summerslam. But then you have The Great American Bash. Unless you do something and have Randy Orton as the Special Guest Referee, things probably wouldn't turn out so good if you put Batista and Helmsley together again.

Edge winning the World Heavyweight Title with the MITB Title Shot is a better way to go, because it finally allows Edge to step out on his own, and doesn't hurt Batista too much. You'd then have Batista literally force Eric Bischoff to trade him to SmackDown!, which results in a feud between the two leading into The Great American Bash, where Edge goes over with the aid of Randy Orton.

I have thought through the idea of sending Jericho to SmackDown! with the WWE Title, and it's one I would LOVE to see happen. Jericho would then play the top wrestling heel alongside Randy Orton, JBL & Eddie Guerrero, which to me looks like a pretty good band of heels. Guerrero and Jericho are "A" quality wrestlers, with Randy Orton "B" quality, with HUGE potential to become "A" quality. JBL is only average in the ring, but he's entertaining, and surrounded by Orlando Jordan & The Shane Twins, he can easily pull his weight.

I can't see Christian winning the WWE Title, I just can't see it. It would probably be the best way to have him win the title by having him pick off a weakened Jericho or Cena and stealing a victory, but I can't see him winning AND going to SmackDown!. If Christian wins, and imminent rematch with Cena is in the works.

Part of me wants to see Jericho (or Eddie Guerrero is I had my way, but a lot of people would be against that idea) win the WWE Title at Vengeance, with help from Triple H. Have Hunter come out with a sledgehammer, and drill it into the skull of Christian, before hitting him in the gut, putting him down for a Lionsault, which gets the win and the title for Jericho.

Later that night Triple H is having trouble beating Batista. Hunter keeps signalling to the back for someone to come out, but they never arrive. We assume it's Ric Flair, but the next night we find out it was supposed to be Chris Jericho returning the favour for Triple H. Jericho then says he couldn't make it out because the fans in the lobbey crowded Jericho and kept him signing autographs until the match was over. Triple H and Jericho then have a bit of a brawl, which is just a little backstory planted between the two for now. Triple H has a pissed-off face Christian primarily on his plate, and Jericho has a one-on-one rematch with John Cena looming.

I'd personally have Christian go over Triple H at Summerslam with the help of Ric Flair. Christian & Ric Flair together would be gold, and can you image the sales of "I'm a member of the Christian WOOOOOO-aliton" shirts? They'd sell like hotcakes. Well, probably. Hell, throw Kurt Angle & Trish Stratus into a stable with Christian, Ric Flair & Tyson Tomko and call them Team FACTS )Flair, Angle, Christian, Tomko, Stratus)

John Cena vs. Chris Jericho can go either way, just as long as you have programs for both guys lined-up after SS.