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Old 02-11-2004, 09:12 AM   #401
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So, you've seen the pictures from ITV right?
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Old 02-11-2004, 09:34 AM   #402
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So, you've seen the pictures from ITV right?
I've seen pictures from ITV yes
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Old 02-11-2004, 10:29 AM   #403
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If you see the pictures from ITV, then you will notice, that the players in question are not in shot
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If you see the pictures from ITV, then you will notice, that the players in question are not in shot
Keane and Neville are both in the shot
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Well, not in the pictures I've seen, so I guess we've seen different pictures, cos the only Neville in the shots I've seen, is Phil
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Well, not in the pictures I've seen, so I guess we've seen different pictures, cos the only Neville in the shots I've seen, is Phil
Heres a little part of a PR from bbc.co.uk

"Merseyside Police have decided they will not take further action after viewing CCTV footage of the incident."
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Ok, so they've viewed the CCTV, and they've decided that there is nothing which can constitute an offence that can be dealt with by the police, this doesn't mean that they haven't been shouting and yelling at the Everton fans does it?

Let me look at this, for a moment from an unbiased perspective, which I admit, is difficult for me to do.

United's players have gone across and celebrated in front of the family stand at Goodison Park. They have apparently shouted and sworn AT the fans, while making gestures. The result of this, was 50 fans filing a report to the police. I have read that one of the people who made a statement was a steward. Merseyside Police have found that the evidence they have does nothing to warrant an offence that can bring about action, and so the issue has been passed onto the F.A to look at.

These appear to be the facts.

Now, the thing that I am arguing is that the Manchester United players did not need to go across towards those fans and celebrate, and spout abusive language. Now, I think that this is more or less a fact, that they did indeed shout and swear at the crowd. 50 people complained, that's 50 out of around..... 3-4000 in the area United where in front of (the area which could have been in ear shot). They are indeed a minority, but they seem to have been offended by something, and they've reported this.

My point is, that what the Manchester United players have done, is very unprofessional, and as role-models they should apologise for their actions, I mean, Gary Neville yesterday practically admitted that they celebrated OTT, but that it was ok to do so.

The pictures I have seen did not have Ronaldo or Neville in them, Keane was in them, but if I remember correctly, he was the closest person to the crowd, while the rest of the players were in a big bundle.
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I think that Cactus Sid is right.

Because their is no video evidence doesn't mean they didnt do it, and if Neville has admitted they were in the wrong, then like what Sid said, it is unprofessional, and uncalled for.
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I think that Cactus Sid is right.

Because their is no video evidence doesn't mean they didnt do it, and if Neville has admitted they were in the wrong, then like what Sid said, it is unprofessional, and uncalled for.
Neville admitted the celebrations were over the top but he didn't say that they swore or abused the fans.
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I think it's unprofessional because people are stuck in that norm that players shouldn't say anything to fans. Personally, I think that as long as they don't swear, they should be able to say what they like. It's only a laugh and if you can give it then you should be able to take it. If you get arsey about it then leave the ground because you are watching the wrong sport. Try snooker or indoor bowls.

As for Cristiano Ronaldo, nobody has mentioned how he had a full Coke bottle thrown at him and the pictures were as clear as a beautiful summer day.
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Seeing as there is a bit of a debate and things on this situation,it would be interesting to know everyone's views on the Walker/fan incident.I mean surely Walker reacting by physically attacking a fan is worse than the United players shouting some things at Everton fans?

Can't condone either act but as they both happened surely Walker's reaction is worse.
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Actually no. I think any fan who comes on to a pitch should be banned for life. Players could be at danger and Walker did the right then. I still remember when Peter Schmeichel threw some Turk like 20 yards into the 6th row at Old Trafford! Players should have a legal right to kick arse if fans enter the field. Nobody argues when fans jump barriers at wrestling shows and get battered.
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Yeah on Duff's return against Birmingham City 3 1/2 weeks ago, a fan ran on the pitch, and shook Duff's hand, and then slowy jogged away from three stewards, two gave up, and the one that kept chasing him fell over in the centre circle. Funny stuff, the bloke kept running, and ran off the pitch before he was finally caught. That fan could have punched Duff, kinifed him or anything, and the stewards were way too slow and couldn't stop it.

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Yep, Walker would probably have a decent case for acting in self-defence
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Yeah, I dont think anyone could argue with Walkers actions, he probably felt under threat.
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The only thing I can be arsed to say is Gary Neville is a dickend.
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Middlesborough, eh?
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Middlesborough, eh?
Yeah when it was 2-0, I thought it would be 4-2 to United. and then United Jobbed to Job. (I thought that sounded good anyway)

Chelsea with a deserved win also.

Still, I'd rather we didn't have Parker, Crespo, Bridge, Makelele, Geremi, Cech, Joe Cole, Veron, Johnson, Kenyon, Abramovich.

Mutu and Duff were the only players we needed.
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I thought Mutu was a waste a space today really. In each of the last 3 Chelsea games i've seen he's missed at least 1 brilliant chance to score.
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Still, I'd rather we didn't have Parker, Crespo, Bridge, Makelele, Joe Cole
Loan them to us
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What would your Chelsea midfield be then Dazz?

Also lol at newest member: jim smith

RBF?
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What would your Chelsea midfield be then Dazz?

Also lol at newest member: jim smith

RBF?
nope not me, i only just got in

If Chelsea had a decent winger i would've been cacking it tonight, the amount of space Gronkjaer had to make runs, luckily i knew he was shit and wouldn't pull anything off so it was all cushdy.
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As for Cristiano Ronaldo, nobody has mentioned how he had a full Coke bottle thrown at him and the pictures were as clear as a beautiful summer day.
This is something for Everton to deal with, and the F.A to deal with Everton should they need to.
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Actually no. I think any fan who comes on to a pitch should be banned for life. Players could be at danger and Walker did the right then. They should have a legal right to kick arse if fans enter the field. Nobody argues when fans jump barriers at wrestling shows and get battered.
Agreed.
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nope not me, i only just got in

If Chelsea had a decent winger i would've been cacking it tonight, the amount of space Gronkjaer had to make runs, luckily i knew he was shit and wouldn't pull anything off so it was all cushdy.
Haha, you probably knew he was rubbish before I told you, but he did what I said he would.


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What would your Chelsea midfield be then Dazz?
Duff on the left wing, Gronkjaer on the right wing (Yeah I just dissed him, but when he hits form he is the man, if you saw the end of last season) Lampard attacking, and Petit defending.

Don't get me wrong, Makelelelelele is great, but what a waste of 16 million, he is 30 , and we didn't need him. We didn't know Cole or Veron yet we bought both. We have Forssell and Carlton Cole yet we sign two new attackers, only Mutu is good, Crepso DIVES.


And LOL at Forlans header against the bar. and your defence in general was a MESS.
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Loan them to us
Well, we signed Smertin just to loan him to Pompey, I don't see why we wouldn't give you them.
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Oh fucking god. Hoddle is almost certainly going back to Southampton, Lowe just said you need to give people a second chance, he's spoken to Hoddle etc....
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Why?!

why the fuck would anyone have hoddle as manager of anything? he's utter shite and he never comes close to winning anything.
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Good thing Hoddles going back otherwise they could have been a minor success and the premiership just wouldn't be the same in Southampton were consistently good.
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Eileen Drury will be happy, she can help the Southampton players now.
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This is from the BBC about the Hoddle thing

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Southampton chairman Rupert Lowe has confirmed Glenn Hoddle is a candidate for the manager's job.
Lowe rejected suggestions he had bowed to fans pressure in dropping plans to bring Hoddle back to the club he walked out on three years ago.

But Lowe told a news conference Hoddle could still replace Gordon Strachan and he will not be swayed by fans.

Lowe said the popular choice was not always the right one and that people deserved a second chance.


Lowe had refused to be drawn on speculation but broke his silence on Thursday afternoon at a news conference.

His comments confirmed that he could still hold the door open for the former England manager.

Lowe is an admirer of Hoddle's coaching credentials and said: "He is a tremendous coach.

"We want somebody who can coach the excellent squad we have built up, to lead them and be tactically aware so instead of us going to Old Trafford and Highbury and losing narrowly, we win.

"Yes Glenn left this club under a cloud but if anyone should be bearing a grudge it is me as he put me through the mill (when he left).


"We are not under any time pressure to bring someone in"

Saints chairman Rupert Lowe



"It took me some time to find a solution and when we appointed Gordon Strachan we had a similar response from fans because of what had happened at Coventry.


"Glenn Hoddle remains an option. We have not done a U-turn - he could still be appointed manager.

"But I am not ruling anything in and I am not ruling anything out.

"I'm not going to appoint anyone who will rip this club apart as in the Ian Branfoot era.

"But regardless of whether he is the popular choice we will do what is right for this club."

At the weekend fans unveiled banners protesting against Hoddle replacing outgoing Strachan.

The strength of opinion against Hoddle's return even took in Southampton's MPs.

Southampton Test MP Alan Whitehead said: "My immediate reaction is that this is not a good idea.

"I am not sure it is the right move."

John Denham, member for Southampton Itchen, said: "Hoddle managed to upset a lot of supporters when he left this club.

"He received huge support from them yet he couldn't bring himself to say anything nice about the club, the city or the fans when he left."

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Why?!

why the fuck would anyone have hoddle as manager of anything? he's utter shite and he never comes close to winning anything.
See thats where your wrong. Lemme set the scene for all you Hoddle haters. It was the summer of '93, and Hoddle had been player manager for Swindon, and guided them to the premiership. Chelsea had just sacked Ian Portafield, and David Webb's temporary managerial contract was terminated, Stamford Bridge crowds were fairly low. We signed Hoddle, in the first year, we reached the F.A Cup final, (the score isn't important). As United were champions that season, Chelsea snuck into the UEFA Cup winners cup, and guess what happened that season, many fans came back, and the Bridge was full again, reaching the semi finals and then just going out to Zaragoza, who won the competition wasn't exactly bad. The season after, Hoddle brought in Gullit, for free, the best player Chelsea had seen in ages. Hoddle left the post at the end of the season, and Gullit took over, and brought in players like Vialli, Zola, Di Matteo, and from their, Chelsea started on their road to success.

Since then we have been in the Champions League Quarter Final, and finished 3rd and 4th in the league, and whats more, Hoddle didn't have any money to flaunt around, he barely spent anything at us.

Anyone who tells you Hoddle didn't turn Chelsea around is a moron.

He did well for England, losing to the Argies wasn't exactly unexpected, and the reason for his sacking is a disgrace, it wasn't footy related.

At Southampton, Hoddle started what Strachan continued, I think that he did a good job their too. The only club I think he has failed as a manager at is Tottenham, and lets face it, who was the last sucessful manager they had?

Swindon, Chelsea, England and Southampton, he never let any of them down. Just Spurs.
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I'm only doubting his reappointment, he walked out on the club, left them high and dry, and now they wanna welcome him back with open arms, when he said "fuck you" to them. I just think its stupid, and Rupert Lowe and Hoddle are gonna have a serious backlash.
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If Lowe thinks the Saints fans don't have the right to feel aggrieved towards Hoddle he's an idiot
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Was that the worst tackle in premiership history???
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No, but it was the worst one this week, there are other bad challenges, and it wasn't like Delaney (was it him?) was badly hurt.

LOL at O'Leary's reaction.
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No, but it was the worst one this week, there are other bad challenges, and it wasn't like Delaney (was it him?) was badly hurt.

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I didn't hear the update on delaney, They thought he'd broken a leg. Whats the new on that then??
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He hasn't broken his leg, but even so, that tackle was a disgrace
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Steve Stone some how managed to get a stress fracture in his leg while warming up yesterday and could be out for the whole season, Patrik Berger has done his knee in and could be out for the whol season, Teddy Sheringham has torn his hamstring and could be out for a month or so.

seriously, did they stage a mirror breaking competition at Fratton Park or something because the amount of injuries we've had this season is just stupid
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