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Old 07-07-2011, 01:04 AM   #1
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They shit the bed with Brock Lesnar in 02' because they turned him face way too prematurely. After Lesnar got a good 'pop' when beating The Rock at Summerslam that year, the WWE blew their load and turned him into a bland face.

The same thing happend to Orton in 04'. After beating Benoit at Summerslam, the WWE got excited by the cheers Orton was getting, and turned him face.

In both instances, both men should have continued to be pushed as heels....regardless of the pops they were getting. This is what the WWE had done with Steve Austin and The Rock before they achieved mega-stardom.

Lesnar should have remained undefeated and heelish until the Wrestlemania main-event....where he should have lost to a face Kurt Angle. After the match, Lesnar could have them destroyed Heyman after Heyman slapped Lesnar or something.....and would have become a HUUUGE face by that point since the fans would literally be creaming their pants at the idea of cheering Lesnar.

Ditto for Orton. It should've been Orton leading Evolution as a heel after Summerslam.....and HHH making the face turn. It should have been a heel Orton jobbing to Batista in the main-event of 2005.

Orton in 2009 was also poorly booked. He should've been able to punt Stephanie in the head (would have further added to his pyscho character at the time), and he should have gone over HHH. Orton was fucking huge at that point, and the WWE killed his momentum.

Randy Orton wasn't ready for the main event, and he got exposed when he didn't couldn't use Flair/HHH as a crutch.

Too bad Angle had neck surgury after WMXIX and probably wouldn't have been a good option to be champion since he barely was able to compete at WMXIX.

IT MADE NO SENSE for Orton to go over HHH at WM25. Orton did every damn evil thing possible, and Triple H just to get bitched out would have made no sense and a shitty end to WM25. Remember how everybody (some to this very day) complain about HHH (a heel) winning at WM2000.
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Old 07-07-2011, 01:32 AM   #2
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Randy Orton wasn't ready for the main event, and he got exposed when he didn't couldn't use Flair/HHH as a crutch.

Too bad Angle had neck surgury after WMXIX and probably wouldn't have been a good option to be champion since he barely was able to compete at WMXIX.

IT MADE NO SENSE for Orton to go over HHH at WM25. Orton did every damn evil thing possible, and Triple H just to get bitched out would have made no sense and a shitty end to WM25. Remember how everybody (some to this very day) complain about HHH (a heel) winning at WM2000.
The end of WrestleMania 25 was shit.
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Old 07-07-2011, 02:33 AM   #3
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The end of WrestleMania 25 was shit.
I feel it had more to do with the fact that they followed HBK/Taker & Cena/Edge/Big Show as well as the fact that this blood feud had a "If you get DQ'd you lose the title" stipulation.
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They shit the bed with Brock Lesnar in 02' because they turned him face way too prematurely. After Lesnar got a good 'pop' when beating The Rock at Summerslam that year, the WWE blew their load and turned him into a bland face.

The same thing happend to Orton in 04'. After beating Benoit at Summerslam, the WWE got excited by the cheers Orton was getting, and turned him face.

In both instances, both men should have continued to be pushed as heels....regardless of the pops they were getting. This is what the WWE had done with Steve Austin and The Rock before they achieved mega-stardom.

Lesnar should have remained undefeated and heelish until the Wrestlemania main-event....where he should have lost to a face Kurt Angle. After the match, Lesnar could have them destroyed Heyman after Heyman slapped Lesnar or something.....and would have become a HUUUGE face by that point since the fans would literally be creaming their pants at the idea of cheering Lesnar. It also would have motivated Lesnar to strive for something in the future....instead of giving him everything on a silver platter way too soon.

Ditto for Orton. It should've been Orton leading Evolution as a heel after Summerslam.....and HHH making the face turn. It should have been a heel Orton jobbing to Batista in the main-event of 2005.

Orton in 2009 was also poorly booked. He should've been able to punt Stephanie in the head (would have further added to his pyscho character at the time), and he should have gone over HHH. Orton was fucking huge at that point, and the WWE killed his momentum.
Hindsight etc
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Old 07-07-2011, 01:07 AM   #5
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I feel like Orton's character changed too much in 04, which didn't help the fact that he wasn't ready for the main event.

But this has already been discussed so I don't need to go further.

Plus he's become a big star now so what does it matter?
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Old 07-07-2011, 12:41 PM   #6
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That and it just wasn't a really entertaining match, Steele.
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Old 07-07-2011, 12:57 PM   #7
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Another Royal Rumble win gone to waste.
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Old 07-07-2011, 01:00 PM   #8
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So Punk is going to Japan eh?
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Old 07-07-2011, 04:01 PM   #9
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You are full of shit.
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Old 07-07-2011, 04:09 PM   #10
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Id expect that reaction from somebody who sleeps in HHH's garden. And you clearly have no argument to make against it
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Old 07-07-2011, 04:37 PM   #11
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Triple H is so horrible as a face and one dimensional as a heel that he has been a consistent draw for over a decade. You are full of shit.
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Old 07-07-2011, 04:49 PM   #12
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Triple H rode stef to put him on top forever. If he was such a draw then why did millions of people tune out when the real stars (Rock and Austin) bailed. You are full of game
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Old 07-07-2011, 05:45 PM   #13
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Triple H rode stef to put him on top forever. If he was such a draw then why did millions of people tune out when the real stars (Rock and Austin) bailed. You are full of game
Triple H was on top of the WWF long before dating Stephanie and he was a star in WWF during that boom period with Austin and Rock. If anything, you could argue Triple H helped keep the WWE from completely tanking.
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Old 07-07-2011, 05:34 PM   #14
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Im so glad Punk is done in the WWE. I love him but the sheer fact that he will job out and leave when all of these fan boys are so convinced he is going to be a top guy now. I cannot wait to see the Nerd Rage of the Fan Boys.
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Im so glad Punk is done in the WWE. I love him but the sheer fact that he will job out and leave when all of these fan boys are so convinced he is going to be a top guy now. I cannot wait to see the Nerd Rage of the Fan Boys.
I think you mentioned that before
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Im so glad Punk is done in the WWE. I love him but the sheer fact that he will job out and leave when all of these fan boys are so convinced he is going to be a top guy now. I cannot wait to see the Nerd Rage of the Fan Boys.
I agree with this, but I still think it would be cool as hell if Vince "saw the light," cost Cena the match and reformed the Corporation around Punk.
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So we lose Punk, but we gain a new Zack Ryder stable

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Old 07-08-2011, 03:13 PM   #19
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wishful thinking but fuckin hell that'd be awesome. and hanso saying that is fucking retarded. if you were a real fan, and not some gimp who wanks over trannies, you would be as pissed off as the next guy. he probly also thinks steve austin sucked and the attitude era was shit
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Old 07-08-2011, 03:45 PM   #20
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if you were a real fan. tremendous.

punk is my favorite wrestler and the guy who got me back into it in 2006, but i'm not pissed at the prospect of him leaving. clearly he thinks it's the best choice if he goes through with it. nothing for me to be upset about.
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Old 07-08-2011, 03:47 PM   #21
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Shawn michaels was the reason i kept watching wrestling thru a dire 1996, when he retired a part of me died. Thats a real fan
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Old 07-08-2011, 03:49 PM   #22
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Old 07-08-2011, 03:56 PM   #23
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Its called being a die hard fan you dipshit. you watch sport? I love football (soccer) and if Tottenham Hotspur were finished forever, id never care about the sport in the same way again. I wouldn't care who won what or whatever anymore, it just wouldn't be the same. Like in TV, when a character leaves a beloved show, it isn't the same anymore. You do get this, your just being a cunt
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i guess i'm just better at looking at the bigger picture than you are.
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Nope, you are just the 'typical stubborn internet guy'. When something is pointed out to you that makes sense but goes against what you think you react in an even more ridiculous way. It's happened a lot. What im saying simply is how things are but you will argue to the death against it. Fine so, believe what you wanna, i dont give a fuck about you in any way
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Old 07-08-2011, 04:05 PM   #27
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See what i mean when i say 'typical'? there are many of you gimps
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Old 07-08-2011, 04:46 PM   #33
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