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Old 04-06-2009, 06:20 PM   #441
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The Jets also added Faneca, Kris Jenkins, Dustin Keller etc. before last season. I am not saying the Jets would have been any better or even the same with Pennington but to give the majority of the credit to Favre is absolutely crazy. People were excited about the Jets in 2008 BEFORE they traded for Favre. I was at least
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Old 04-06-2009, 06:28 PM   #442
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Old 04-06-2009, 06:30 PM   #443
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Garcia to Oaklan, Kellen Winslow signs the highest paying contract for tight ends. 6 years, 36.1 million with 20 guaranteed
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Old 04-07-2009, 12:18 AM   #445
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Old 04-07-2009, 08:26 AM   #446
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The Jets also added Faneca, Kris Jenkins, Dustin Keller etc. before last season. I am not saying the Jets would have been any better or even the same with Pennington but to give the majority of the credit to Favre is absolutely crazy. People were excited about the Jets in 2008 BEFORE they traded for Favre. I was at least
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Also did you not see the way Favre's play completely fell off toward the end of the season? Favre was meant to get them to the playoffs, easy, and they choked it away.
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Although I agree with you about the similarities in the Cutler and Farve situations, Farve never was right after the Bengals game and I believe the shoulder injury in that game hampered him far more than just the team choking.

Truthfully I believe Denver is in for another 6-10 to 8-8 season and the Bears will be in the 8-8 to 10-6 range. The Broncos took a serious hit on offense losing Jay, but they seem to be trying to upgrade the defense and if they can do that even a little it will pick them up a few games.

Personally I look for the Chiefs to be a powerful player for the division this season. With Denver having to reload and the Chargers falling off at the rate they have the last few seasons the way KC has reloaded has me worried. No one is paying attention to them, but I think they have a good shot at winning the AFC West this year.
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Old 04-07-2009, 09:16 AM   #448
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The Chiefs won't be that power player right away. Maybe the year after. this year is a virtual LOCK for the Bolts. The only team that has their feet under them to give chase is the Raiders, and that is laughable to consider.
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I can seriously see a team leading that division with only 2 or 3 wins after 6-7 games this season and it's truely sad considering how good Denver and even SD were a couple years ago. Sad part is it probably will be Oakland.
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Old 04-07-2009, 10:40 AM   #450
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Playoff probation? Not with the NFC West steadily sending 8-8 teams to the playoffs for years. The Chargers get to cruise into the playoffs. It will be great if they get the #1 seed due to the soft division...
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Old 04-07-2009, 12:39 PM   #453
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Also did you not see the way Favre's play completely fell off toward the end of the season? Favre was meant to get them to the playoffs, easy, and they choked it away.
That's because Favre is 39 years old and his arm quit on him. That doesn't mean he didn't provide a spark to that team.
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Old 04-07-2009, 12:41 PM   #454
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So Favre deserves no credit for the Jets improved play last year, but he deserves all of the blame for them choking. That's fair.
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The JETS imploded, not just Farve. I think that there were a lot of factors that caused Farve to suck so much ass at the end of the season.
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Old 04-07-2009, 12:49 PM   #456
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I don't know how you people could possibly be arguing with me on this. A good quarterback makes his receivers and his team better. How is this even a debate right now?
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Marvin Harrison didn't have a 1000 yard season until Manning's 2nd year as QB. Then BAM 8 straight 1000 yard seasons and 8 straight Pro Bowls. And that doesn't even begin to mention how good the rest of the team got.
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Ok, wait, who's arguing? I was agreeing with you when I said that the Jets have to take some of the blame for the implosion last year. It wasn't all brett's fault.
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However Supreme, I will pose this line of thought...

The Job of the QB is to be the hero AND the scapegoat. So while it is unfair to give QB's all the blame for poor passing offenses, isn't that a part of their job?
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Apparently the Bears are going to sign Plaxico so this is a moot point anyway.
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However Supreme, I will pose this line of thought...

The Job of the QB is to be the hero AND the scapegoat. So while it is unfair to give QB's all the blame for poor passing offenses, isn't that a part of their job?
I never said it wasn't.
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In fact, all I said was that it's a double standard to say Favre isn't responsible for New York's improved play but then put all the blame on him when they choke.

He was responsible for their falling apart at the end, but without him, they wouldn't have even gotten to that point in the first place.
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What do you think about the Bengals chances this year? Who are you hoping for in the draft?
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I'll be happy with any of the big name OTs. If BJ Raji is there I wouldn't mind drafting him either but I'm a little skeptical of top 10 DTs.
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Dan Wilkinson syndrome, eh??? I"m right there with you. I would love to get a great DE, and perhaps a running back. I think the OT class is deep. I don't want that fat kid from Alabama. This could definitely be a depth year with 11 solid picks. I would love to see Chad Go to New York.
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So Favre deserves no credit for the Jets improved play last year, but he deserves all of the blame for them choking. That's fair.
I didn't say he deserved no credit, neither did I say he deserves all the blame. But as part of his job as a leader of the team, he failed. And when you compare what Favre did with the Jets to what Pennington did in Miami, it's a fair assumption to make that given the money the Jets spent in free agency bringing in Jenkins, Pace, Faneca etc that they still would have improved if they still had Pennington as QB.

If a receiver can't run his route properly, if he can't beat his coverage, if he can't catch the damn ball, there's not much the QB can do about that.
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I'll be happy with any of the big name OTs. If BJ Raji is there I wouldn't mind drafting him either but I'm a little skeptical of top 10 DTs.
Bengals signed Tank Johnson so I'm guessing you are now wanting an OT?? Oher from Ole Miss is a beast..
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so much for cleaning up that jailbird image, eh Marvin?

I would like Oher but not at #6. I don't know why people have Smith from Bama over Oher though. Smith seems like a walking PUP list waiting to happen. Guys with a poor work ethic don't just change.
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MMM, I believe this argument is going nowhere so let's just see what the season brings.
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Supreme, there's no argument. Tank HAS cleaned his act up. He's been fuck up free for quite some time...
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I would love to see the kid from Baylor, or Virginia at OT. I don't want that fat ass lazy fucking kid from Bama.
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BATAVIA, Ohio -- An Ohio State Highway Patrol spokesman says Cincinnati Bengals cornerback Leon Hall was arrested in southwest Ohio and charged with drunken driving.



YOU STUPID MOTHERFUCKER GOD DAMMIT WHY ARE YOU SO FUCKING STUPID TAKE A FUCKING CAB
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