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Old 06-20-2004, 12:51 PM   #481
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In fairness, the main presenter isn't supposed to be the funny guy. Lineker is there to keep the mood good and break up any fights that occur. After that, you've got Peter Reid to talk tactics, Strachan to talk incoherently, Hansen to be melancholy and pretend to like England, Wright to go off on tangents and Schmeichel to sit next to Wright and have us all waiting for one to take a pop at the other.
I think Lineker does a good job. He knows his role. Can't even remember seeing Reid. Strachan is awesome so dunno where you get incoherent from. Hansen is a tosspot. The guy loves England. He is just as bad as that English baldy big head bastard on Sky every week. Schmeichel and Wrighty are great though. ITV looks poor in comparison. Townsend is an embarrassment. Southgate is useless. I guess Venables at least tries. Bobby Robson sounds like he is dead half the time. McCoist is their saving grace. Des Lynam is always the man though.
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Ufalusji didn't give Van Nistelrooy a kick, and Jankulovski had a fantastic game, the defence is hardly shit.
Nistelroo doesn't do anything for himself anyway, when does the guy ever do anything but the final touch, he gets all the credit for doing the least work in a goal. If the defence was so good, then how come Holland scored twice, for Nistelrooy's goal was horrible defending and Petr Cech kept them in the game with quite a few good saves, they wouldn't have one if they had their sub keeper in goal.
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Well, Van Nistelrooy's goal was bullshit, I don't give a toss what the rules are, they need to changing, because that was crap, and I'm a striker. The next time I play, I'll just stand on the 6 yard box and every time we have an attack I'll casually start strolling back towards my own box, I can't be offside though can I?

The first goal was a case of stepping up at the wrong time, after that they kept the line really well.

The point I'm making is that, ok, Van Nistelrooy has everything put on a plate for him, but Ufalusji stopped him from getting anything in. I think he had 2 shots in the whole game.

Ok, Cech kept them in the game, but they played most of the game with 3 defenders anyway, playing against Holland, one of the best attacking teams in the world, with 3 defenders, and holding out (after Grygera went off, they didn't concede a goal) is pretty damn good if you ask me.
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Dazz you come off so bitter ragging on Van Nistelrooy all the time. You'd think he was the only striker who played his style in the last 50 years or something. The guy gets paid to score goals and he does just that.

I don't like the offside rule either but that's the rule so no point in crying over it.
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Holland are good attacking, but they are so inconsistant that you can't really judge their opposistion by Holands attacking. Scotland kept a clean sheet against Holland in the first leg of the play offs, does that make their defence good? No because they got stuffed in the return leg and generally leak alot of goals. The point I'm making is that the Czech's let in two goals against Holland, who are sometimes on form and sometimes are, but who is to say that they wont get trashed in the quarters or semi's. The only reason I think that they might not get stuff, is because like ECG keeps saying, teams play too negative and after scoring a goal they often sit back.

Also, Holland scored twice and then sat back, and made stupid decisions like bring off both their wingers, after Hetinga got sent off they went more defensive, so I think saying Czech's defence is abit far considereing it was largely due to Holland stopping attacking.
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Dazz you come off so bitter ragging on Van Nistelrooy all the time. You'd think he was the only striker who played his style in the last 50 years or something. The guy gets paid to score goals and he does just that.

I don't like the offside rule either but that's the rule so no point in crying over it.
I have a problems with alot of players, but Nistelrooy is the one everyone talks about. Had their been any discussion about Gary Neville, Gavin McCann, Ashley Cole, Robert Pires, Kasey Keller or Tarrico, I would come off just as bitter, its not just RvN but he is the guy everyone talks about. I don't think he is the only one who plays like that, but he is the main one who does at the moment, he is incapable of scoring anything but tap ins and penalties, and everyone gets a hard one about it thinking that he is the man, when the team does all the work for him. .
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Strachan is awesome so dunno where you get incoherent from. Hansen is a tosspot. The guy loves England. He is just as bad as that English baldy big head bastard on Sky every week.
Hansen loves England? I can understand that for Andy Gray, but do you remember that clip from the World Cup when England scored and Lineker and Reid and Wright are running around screaming their heads off, whilst Hansen has a face like a slapped ass, gritting his teeth? Classic stuff. As for Strachan, it's that Scottish accent - you're fine with it, I'm having to listen carefully.
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As for Strachan, it's that Scottish accent - you're fine with it, I'm having to listen carefully.
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Someone help me out here. OK Greece and Russia have 4 points. Portugal has 3. The goals scored and goals allowed look like this right now at 3:05 Easten Time.

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Greece 3 4

Spain 2 1

Portugal 3 2


Ok, so if Greece loses to Russia and Portugal and Spain draw at 0-0, does that make Portugal go through. Cause what I'm thinking is you take GS and you subtract GA and that would give you a number. That would give Greece -1 AND Portugal 1. Is this how it goes?
 
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If it's level on points, teams are split depending on the result between the two of them. So if Greece and Portugal both finish on 4 points, regardless of goal difference, Greece go through because they beat Portugal.
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If it's level on points, teams are split depending on the result between the two of them. So if Greece and Portugal both finish on 4 points, regardless of goal difference, Greece go through because they beat Portugal.
Oh, ok. I thought it all came down to GS and GA and then if they were even the same there, then it would come down to who beat who in the game before. Ok, I got it now. Thanks 91
 
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The Spain Vs Portugal match looks like it's going to be a boring 0-0 draw.
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I don't know, Portugal are going to HAVE to come out and play in the second half, so it could perk up yet.
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They are "out and playing". It's Spain who are shutting the game down.
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For the first time (against a good opposition, Millwall don't count) Ronaldo has impressed me.
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They've not really pushed the Spanish that much actually until now. Spain are finding themselves on the attack just as often. Hell, as I speak, the Spanish are keping the ball in the Portuguese half.
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Portugal were much more attacking in the first half, the amount of crosses they put in and all. They didn't actually make much of any of it but they have certainly been the more attacking side.
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True, but it's almost if, bar a couple of players, there's absolutely no ambition to them. It's no use the wingers putting in crosses if nobody can be bothered to get in there. Spain are playing much smarter football right now. Still, if the Portuguese get themselves a little more motivated...
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As I finished typing that, Barry Davies said pretty much the same thing. I seem to be making a habit of that...
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THAT'S more like it. Kudos for them finally putting something good together. Of course, now the Spanish have to come out and play, we might yet get a good game here...
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christ, this game is getting crazy. So many chances for Spain. Spain is going all out on offense.
 
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Fuck sake.

How many times did Deco cheat? What about Nuno Gomes and his "give him a yellow card ref" routine.

They can be a good footballing side, but they are a bunch of fucking cheats. I might be Scottish, but I hope England dick them in the Quarter Finals.
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Wow, that game sounded intense at the end. Greece and Portugal advance. Greece got out of there by the skin of thier teeth
 
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Try and throw it away more Portugal , they bring off Ronaldo who was the only one creating anything, I am aware that Couto is a defender and he came on, but going defensive is asking for trouble, and there were other players more worthy of a substitution. And then the miss by Costinha, what a load of shit he really is, apparently Chelsea are on the verge of signing him, he has done nothing.
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Fuck sake.

How many times did Deco cheat? What about Nuno Gomes and his "give him a yellow card ref" routine.

They can be a good footballing side, but they are a bunch of fucking cheats. I might be Scottish, but I hope England dick them in the Quarter Finals.
Yeah and Chelsea are reportedly on the verge of signing Deco, everythings been agreed but he's not going to officially sign till after the tourney ends.
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Holland are good attacking, but they are so inconsistant that you can't really judge their opposistion by Holands attacking. Scotland kept a clean sheet against Holland in the first leg of the play offs, does that make their defence good? No because they got stuffed in the return leg and generally leak alot of goals. The point I'm making is that the Czech's let in two goals against Holland, who are sometimes on form and sometimes are, but who is to say that they wont get trashed in the quarters or semi's. The only reason I think that they might not get stuff, is because like ECG keeps saying, teams play too negative and after scoring a goal they often sit back.

Also, Holland scored twice and then sat back, and made stupid decisions like bring off both their wingers, after Hetinga got sent off they went more defensive, so I think saying Czech's defence is abit far considereing it was largely due to Holland stopping attacking.
Aside from that 2nd leg, when do Scotland ever get tanked? Generally the defense is okay. It's the strikers that are the worry. Can't even comment on what you say about the Czechs and Dutch though. Everyone else saw one of the best games in European Championship history. If that was England then you'd be creaming your pants.
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Hansen loves England? I can understand that for Andy Gray, but do you remember that clip from the World Cup when England scored and Lineker and Reid and Wright are running around screaming their heads off, whilst Hansen has a face like a slapped ass, gritting his teeth? Classic stuff. As for Strachan, it's that Scottish accent - you're fine with it, I'm having to listen carefully.
If Hansen got caught running about for England he'd get stabbed by some jock. We are all still convinced that was staged anyway. As for Strachan's accent, you have a nerve! You forget Geordie, Yorkshire and Scouse accents?
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Aside from that 2nd leg, when do Scotland ever get tanked? Generally the defense is okay. It's the strikers that are the worry. Can't even comment on what you say about the Czechs and Dutch though. Everyone else saw one of the best games in European Championship history. If that was England then you'd be creaming your pants.
When did I ever say it wasn't one of the best games?
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yeah Dazz, what's up with you hating on everybody and every team? You have to give credit where credit is do.
 
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Oh yeah, Portugal are pretty mince really. Aside from Ronaldo, they have nothing special. They had way too many clear cut chances at the end of blew them and I couldn't believe it when they had the ball and didn't boot it out the ground or run to the corners. Good luck to them but on their performances so far, I don't think they'll trouble England or Croatia much.
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When did I ever say it wasn't one of the best games?
Where did you say it was?
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yeah Dazz, what's up with you hating on everybody and every team? You have to give credit where credit is do.
I just gave Ronaldo credit didn't I
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I just gave Ronaldo credit didn't I
Yeah Yeah, I saw that.
 
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Where did you say it was?
I guess you got me there.
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Alright game i guess, for chances made. I am still unsure as to why Morientes was dropped and was bought on as their last sub, fair enough Raul being captain but he's been badly off form, and his header showed that.
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Yeah Yeah, I saw that.
I have made 70 posts in this thread (71 now) I must have praised more players/teams then Ronaldo.
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