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Old 07-17-2013, 01:15 PM   #1
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I just watched it again and I stand by what I said about the crowd reaction. There was an initial obligatory "Oh, somebody won" crowd reaction that still wasn't very big and then nothing.

If Bryan won then crowd would've blown their brains all over the arena and gone into excitement spasms.
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Old 07-17-2013, 01:15 PM   #2
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Also, on a nice vintage LOL TNA moment:

Remember Doc, that guy in Aces and Eights who is being groomed for a potential face turn and program? HIS CONTRACT EXPIRED.
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Old 07-17-2013, 01:19 PM   #3
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Also, on a nice vintage LOL TNA moment:

Remember Doc, that guy in Aces and Eights who is being groomed for a potential face turn and program? HIS CONTRACT EXPIRED.
lol, yeah. I read that last night and my head hurt a little bit.
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Old 07-17-2013, 01:27 PM   #4
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Bryan didn't have to be in the main event of SS and I actually think it's a bad idea. I don't think they're going to have him beat Cena and the only two options other than that would be:

1.) Cena completely destroying his momentum and beating him cleanly for no reason.
2.) Having some sort of "cop out" ending with no finish that also destroys his momentum.


I would've had Bryan win MitB and keep these reaction going for months.


Now, if Bryan wins I'll completely shut the fuck up but I don't see that happening.
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Old 07-17-2013, 01:35 PM   #5
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There would be no more war. All countries would have food and clean water. And Daniel Bryan would be WWE Champion.
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Old 07-17-2013, 01:48 PM   #6
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Nobody needed the briefcase, because it was an ALL-STAR match. The guys in it are supposed to be established and over already.

Of the lot, they picked the one guy who would get the most muted reaction.

Giving it to Bryan would've put the crowd into a total frenzy, that would go down as one of the greatest pay-per-view endings of all time.

Then Bryan would show that he's the ultimate bad-ass, by giving Cena a month to prepare for the match at SummerSlam, instead of having this Make-a-Wish title shot handout business.
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Old 07-17-2013, 02:15 PM   #7
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Nobody needed the briefcase, because it was an ALL-STAR match. The guys in it are supposed to be established and over already.

Of the lot, they picked the one guy who would get the most muted reaction.

Giving it to Bryan would've put the crowd into a total frenzy, that would go down as one of the greatest pay-per-view endings of all time.

Then Bryan would show that he's the ultimate bad-ass, by giving Cena a month to prepare for the match at SummerSlam, instead of having this Make-a-Wish title shot handout business.
Again, I think you waste the briefcase cashing in at Summerslam since Bryan's already got his match. I'm all for cool pay per view moments, but you shouldn't make major booking decisions based on them.
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Old 07-17-2013, 02:23 PM   #8
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Again, I think you waste the briefcase cashing in at Summerslam since Bryan's already got his match. I'm all for cool pay per view moments, but you shouldn't make major booking decisions based on them.
I don't see it as a waste. There are two money in the bank contracts, so I'm fine with one of them being cashed in like this.
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I'm all for cool pay per view moments, but you shouldn't make major booking decisions based on them.
Exactly. WWE will be compelled to do it at SummerSlam though and that's why I think they'll put the title on Bryan. Whenever they're in some sort of true "If Cena wins, we riot" situation where he's facing an internet darling in front of a smark crowd, he seems to lose more often than not.
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Old 07-17-2013, 02:27 PM   #10
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You know what? I would have given the brifcase to RVD. As someone mentioned, nobody really needed the breifcase all that much. By having RVD win the briefcase, you get a huge hometown pop, send the fans home happy, and give him something to do for the few months he's back. Whenever he cashes in, it's not really important if he wins or loses. I'm sure he doesn't care either. He just wants a light schedule and he wants to be paid. Take advantage of the fact that he's motivated.

For Bryan, well, he's already in the main event. And in my dreams, he's winning. You can't take my dreams away from me. Because I'm sleeping when I'm dreaming.
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Old 07-17-2013, 02:39 PM   #11
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No, that's wrong. What major booking decision involves Orton? What is he going to do to wow everyone? He has proven many times that he can't handle being "the guy." So what can you even do with him at this point? It just seems like such a waste.
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Old 07-17-2013, 03:12 PM   #12
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No, that's wrong. What major booking decision involves Orton? What is he going to do to wow everyone? He has proven many times that he can't handle being "the guy." So what can you even do with him at this point? It just seems like such a waste.
Narc, at this point it isn't "What can Orton do to wow everyone?", it's "What can Orton do to help make people?". The crowd sees him as a top guy. Him tapping out clean to Bryan helps solidify Bryan at the top. Him losing clean to Punk reinforces Punk after his hiatus. I think they're looking at Orton as a springboard for others.
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Old 07-17-2013, 02:41 PM   #13
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Orton is the antithesis of excitement. Everything he does is slow. So slow. God, thinking about it seriously makes me angry. He talks slow, his matches are slow, he relies on rest holds almost completely. Watch the MitB match over again. Him grabbing the briefcase seriously took like 1 full minute. Slowly climbing, slowly looking around, slowly unhooking. It is just brutal to watch. Absolutely brutal. Such a buzzkill.
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I haven't watched any wrestling in months to years, but due to enjoying the recent KOTF Cringecasts with similar lineups immensely,I will give this a listen.
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Listen, I don't think Orton is the worst wrestler ever or anything, I just have a hard time seeing what his upside is. He are has two wellness violations. Putting stock into a guy that could be gone from the company at any moment seems downright irresponsible. He can't be depended on. The wellness issues aside, they've already tried everything with this guy and he either fucks it up or it doesn't go over. That wm match with Trips had one of the best buildups for a match that I've ever seen but when it came time to do or die, he died. The match was an awful, slow, anti-climatic mess. That was his shot and he blew it. To make matters worse, he is an immature dickhead. He forced Amy Weber, Palmer Cannon, and Ken Kennedy out of the company because he is a child.

You've got a guy that you can't depend on, that can't handle the responsibility of "top guy," and that can't behave himself on the road. Why are we investing in this?
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He can put guys over without winning the main event of one of the biggest shows of the year. It killed the crowd and it wasn't necessary at all.
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Didn't JBL cause Cannon to leave?
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Well, now I'm not sure. You could be correct.


Even so. Randy Orton deficated in Amy Weber's bag and got Ken Kennedy fired for a back drop. There was also a triple threat match with Orton/Kofi/Cena where Orton started yelling "stupid" at Kofi for a botch and then complained to management about him. The guy is a grade-A fuckface.

Not to mention he's slapped a reporter, stole the memory card out of a fan's camera after getting his picture taken, and is generally known to just be a huge dick in general to fans.
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MITB is #5 at best when it comes to PPVs
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Yeah JBL caused Cannon to quit.

Orton was also the guy who told Kofi to slow down his work and stop jumping around like a fucking idiot (my expression, not his, but hopefully it was his) and making everything look like shit. Kofi blew him off, hence midcard purgatory.
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Orton wanting something slowed down. That doesn't sound like him.
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In that case he's 1000000000% right. Guys can make sandwiches waiting for Kofi to land a move.
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I'll bet that's Orton's note to everybody. "Hey man, it's good. It would just be better if it was way slower. The people really respond to things that are ridiculously slow. Just be as slow as possible."
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I think Randy only does half of the stuff the internet blames him for. Sure he might have called Kofi stupid for a botched spot, but I doubt he went to management to call for his depush.
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I think Randy only does half of the stuff the internet blames him for. Sure he might have called Kofi stupid for a botched spot, but I doubt he went to management to call for his depush.
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Same reason the Internet always thinks CM Punk is in the dog house or that Brock Lesnar has NUCLEAR heat on him.
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Bryan wins at summer slam. Orton cashes in right there and beats Bryan.

Finally turns Orton heel which he is much better at. Given their recent interactions, this is the only reason I can see why they gave Orton the case. And I'm okay with it as long as Bryan comes out of the feud on top.
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You can't call out Orton for being unreliable, then in the same paragraph say that RVD should have won the case. You mean the guy who got caught in possession of illegal substances while WWE and ECW Champion?
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You can't call out Orton for being unreliable, then in the same paragraph say that RVD should have won the case. You mean the guy who got caught in possession of illegal substances while WWE and ECW Champion?
RVD has two strikes? I don't think that he does. There's more to being unreliable than getting in trouble for substances. We've known of RVD's recreational use of marijuana for like 15 years and really the only time it has ever hindered him was that one incident. Yeah, that shouldn't have happened, but to my knowledge he hadn't had a violation before that or since that. I don't think RVDs reliability has really ever been in question, even after the RVD/Sabu smokefest.
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