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Old 08-19-2013, 01:59 PM   #1
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I forgot Triple H existed until after Bryan won the match. He wasn't a focal point at all until he started lingering behind Bryan POST MATCH.
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Old 08-19-2013, 02:31 PM   #2
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I forgot Triple H existed until after Bryan won the match. He wasn't a focal point at all until he started lingering behind Bryan POST MATCH.
I actually noticed and enjoyed Triple H's refereeing. For instance, after Cena & Bryan hit each other with leaping clotheslines, and they were both down, Triple H didn't even bother starting a 10-count. It was like he personally wanted to make sure there was a real finish to the match.
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Dude. He's the reason he lost the WWE Championship.
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Dude. He's the reason he lost the WWE Championship.
After the match with Cena ended, and Bryan pinned him clean. Triple H screwed him to let Orton win. We know have a #1 heel that WWE was lacking, the figurehead in HHH backing him, and a sympathetic babyface who the crowd is completely behind.
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The difference being that Triple H's insertion into these angles is actually enjoyable, since he's actually, y'know, still kinda good at what he does.

As much ire as this is going to draw, I can't choose any words other than to say that Triple H is in an "unfair" position. Due to the nature of his relationship with the boss/management/etc, any insertion into any storyline he is involved with is going to be scrutinized. Obviously part of that is going to ring true, but it's unfair to blanketly label him as some power hungry egotist at this point in his career simply for being in a big storyline. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt to know what's best for the company at this stage in his career, especially if he's trying to endear himself to Vince for the long run.

Also, I really really really enjoyed his matches with the Undertaker. So there's that too.
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I think people grant that Trips has complete control of his character. I don't think that's true. He's been relatively uninvolved in the past 6 months. They've been talking about this McMahon angle that's going to culminate at Wrestlemania, so I think this was the perfect way to hit two birds with one stone. Bryan gets to chase heel Orton, and Trips is assumingly set for an angle that I don't believe is going to be Bryan-centric
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I think people grant that Trips has complete control of his character. I don't think that's true. He's been relatively uninvolved in the past 6 months. They've been talking about this McMahon angle that's going to culminate at Wrestlemania, so I think this was the perfect way to hit two birds with one stone. Bryan gets to chase heel Orton, and Trips is assumingly set for an angle that I don't believe is going to be Bryan-centric
I specifically didnt say that he had full control over his character so nobody would bring this up. But he's involved in the booking. Many times heavily involved. Definitely enough to be like "Hey. This segment needs more me."
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it all hinges on whether or not you think this chase will happen or not. if you are convinced it won't, of course you'll hate this. the guy you're rooting for "got screwed." i believe they know what they've got here and they are playing it out for the even bigger win. bryan beat cena clean last night. that is huge. look past what happened after, and that's a big moment for him. but then to get screwed by the boss? well worth the risk, and i think that wwe knows it. daniel bryan will not be denied after this. yes, they generally suck at long term story telling. but that doesn't mean they can't start to get it right once in a while. i choose to hope for the best instead of getting pissed off about hypothetical future scenarios in professional wrestling. this will be fun, and i will enjoy the ride.
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I honestly thought Vince would have been involved in the match last night in some capacity to plant the seed for his Mania feud with Triple H. Didn't happen, but it's probably coming.
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isn't it in HHH's best interest to get "new" talent over? wouldn't that make him look better in his actual role? i see no reason why he wouldn't use this opportunity to put bryan over. he's not an idiot.
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isn't it in HHH's best interest to get "new" talent over? wouldn't that make him look better in his actual role? i see no reason why he wouldn't use this opportunity to put bryan over. he's not an idiot.
Like he did with Punk?
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Why not have the turn on Raw instead of SummerSlam? Let Daniel Bryan have his celebration on Raw and then have it then? No reason to rob Daniel Bryan he's been fucked over enough.
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Why not have the turn on Raw instead of SummerSlam? Let Daniel Bryan have his celebration on Raw and then have it then? No reason to rob Daniel Bryan he's been fucked over enough.
this is exactly why.
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Well enjoyable is subjective. I can't really enjoy it because I know what him still being in the main event means for the company. And depends what you mean. Some of it has been pretty solid with Taker but there is no excuse for what happened with Punk. I mean, come on. What productive came out of that? As far as this angle goes, the swerve was done well I guess but have we forgotten that we had to sit through 2 solid months of garbage McMahon backstage segments for this? This took so much fucking airtime. Id say as a whole, the McMahon presence in this angle has not been enjoyable.
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I think the bigger issue is it could just as easily lead to a match at the next PPV where Orton goes over via chicanery, then a triple threat with Cena at the PPV after that where Orton pins Bryan clean as a sheet, then we'll have Cena-Orton part 3,343 from then on out.
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i'm not going to let what happened 2 years ago change my opinion on how i feel this will be handled. again, i'd rather hope for the best than expect the worst.
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Yeah damn, it's a shame Triple H beat CM Punk that time and now Punk is buried on the card and hardly over at all.
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Yeah, nothing productive came out of HHH vs Punk. Punk is only arguably the second most over guy in the company right now behind Bryan.

2 solid months? Wait, I thought you wanted long term booking?

I've been incredibly critical of WWE in recent years, more than most probably, but to shit on it at this point or say that this is going to bomb, all because HHH is involved or Daniel Bryan didn't leave with the title, you might as well just stop watching because HHH is not going anywhere.

Just like Daniel Bryan, HHH's going to be around for the foreseeable future. If you can't accept that and enjoy it, then quit watching so we don't have to listen to you bitch.
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Yeah, nothing productive came out of HHH vs Punk. Punk is only arguably the second most over guy in the company right now behind Bryan.

2 solid months? Wait, I thought you wanted long term booking?

I've been incredibly critical of WWE in recent years, more than most probably, but to shit on it at this point or say that this is going to bomb, all because HHH is involved or Daniel Bryan didn't leave with the title, you might as well just stop watching because HHH is not going anywhere.

Just like Daniel Bryan, HHH's going to be around for the foreseeable future. If you can't accept that and enjoy it, then quit watching so we don't have to listen to you bitch.
Punk got over despite losing to Triple H, not because of it. How did the hottest thing in the company jobbing to the boss help Punk? It cut his legs out from under him and it took a bit for him to recover from it.
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Punk got over despite losing to Triple H, not because of it. How did the hottest thing in the company jobbing to the boss help Punk? It cut his legs out from under him and it took a bit for him to recover from it.
I didn't say it helped him but it didn't hurt him either. Not knowing what's going to happen at this point, first of all you can't just say that Bryan is going to job out to HHH in the future. You don't know that's going to happen. If it does happen, sure it could suck.

If Bryan is truly everything and every bit as "good" as folks bitching about him losing claim he is, he'll be able to get over and recover even if he does "job" to HHH in the future. It's not like his win/loss record, feuds or storylines were great to this point to get him as over as he is today.

Much like Rock, HBK, Austin, HHH, Taker, Foley, Cena and Punk before him, Bryan's hard work and natural talent has gotten himself to this point and gotten himself as over as he is. It's up to him to keep himself over and fresh regardless of what booking/creative does. I'd bet my life those legends would say the same thing.
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I didn't say it helped him but it didn't hurt him either. Not knowing what's going to happen at this point, first of all you can't just say that Bryan is going to job out to HHH in the future. You don't know that's going to happen. If it does happen, sure it could suck.

If Bryan is truly everything and every bit as "good" as folks bitching about him losing claim he is, he'll be able to get over and recover even if he does "job" to HHH in the future. It's not like his win/loss record, feuds or storylines were great to this point to get him as over as he is today.

Much like Rock, HBK, Austin, HHH, Taker, Foley, Cena and Punk before him, Bryan's hard work and natural talent has gotten himself to this point and gotten himself as over as he is. It's up to him to keep himself over and fresh regardless of what booking/creative does. I'd bet my life those legends would say the same thing.
Why should anybody with "star quality" have to get over despite booking? Especially a guy that could bring in millions of dollars. They should just, you know, book the show correctly. Because its, you know, their job. Its in their best interest to create stars, not to feed potential stars to guys that can't benefit from any more publicity/character development.
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Well just don't say that there's no way he wouldn't let this opportunity to put Bryan over pass him by. Hes done it plenty of times before and even fairly recently. There is definitely a chance that he wont get Bryan over here if history is any indication.
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but the guy you used as an example is still massively over. i'm sure you'll say that HHH had nothing to do with that, and that's fine, but it certainly didn't stop him from holding the title for as long as he did.
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but the guy you used as an example is still massively over. i'm sure you'll say that HHH had nothing to do with that, and that's fine, but it certainly didn't stop him from holding the title for as long as he did.


Seriously, his argument that Bryan is going get buried is based on a guy who HHH "buried" and is still insanely over, arguably (and IMO) second only to Bryan.
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The whole Triple H/Orton/Bryan ending was perfect. Don't know why anyone who isn't a bitter jaded shriveled up sack of negativity would have an issue with it.


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Guys. You are intentionally missing my point. Triple H didn't help Punk get over by beating him during the height of his popularity. Punk got over because of Punk and because of John Cena. Beating Triple H would've put him over the moon. Triple H beating Punk did nothing for Trips and only hurt Punk's rise. It obviously didn't murder his push but it certainly didn't help him get over.
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but what's to say they didn't realize that and are trying to take a different route this time? that's all i'm saying.
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They might. But to say I don't at least have a point or a reason for thinking this way is just ignoring history.
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