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Old 07-18-2010, 02:10 PM   #41
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I demand that TNA return the Nasty Boys to ring-action.
I think it's safe to say that we all want that.
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Old 07-18-2010, 02:26 PM   #42
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TNA changed the name to Hardcore Justice: One Last Stand
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Old 07-18-2010, 02:26 PM   #43
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Can they even pretend to try to be different?
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Old 07-18-2010, 02:38 PM   #45
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I don't think they are capable of the word Different...
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Old 07-18-2010, 02:40 PM   #46
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Didn't TNA do like a One Night Stand a long time ago like in 2004 before WWE?
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Old 07-18-2010, 02:40 PM   #47
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If a Van Dam/Lynn match is half as good now as it used to be, I'd watch it and love it
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Didn't TNA do like a One Night Stand a long time ago like in 2004 before WWE?
2006. And it was just TNA in the ECW Arena. "TNA Hardcore War".
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2006. And it was just TNA in the ECW Arena. "TNA Hardcore War".
No, I thought that was their second time there. I don't know you may be right.
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I thought you were joking, can't believe they're actually doing this.
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Old 07-18-2010, 03:07 PM   #51
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I thought you were joking, can't believe they're actually doing this.
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No, I thought that was their second time there. I don't know you may be right.
It may have been their second time there (I think they did do two), but they weren't ECW shows. They were just TNA shows with a hardcore theme and a few ECW talents sprinkled in.

I guess you would consider CZW shows in the Arena "ECW Shows" too? They were doing them before WWE did One Night Stand.
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Why did you bring up CZW Xero? You might attact retarded fanboys who are in love with that shit here by mistake.
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Old 07-18-2010, 04:55 PM   #54
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This is all because of that company's research into what TNA watchers fondly remember about wrestling?
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does RVD still have the title? If so why doesnt TNA build up any of their stars?
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I doubt Jerry Lynn will return to TNA, after how bad they misused him. He's better off staying in ROH.
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does RVD still have the title? If so why doesnt TNA build up any of their stars?
They are, Lethal, Abyss, Kazarian, Aj, Wolfe, Joe
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I doubt Jerry Lynn will return to TNA, after how bad they misused him. He's better off staying in ROH.
I dunno. If I were Jerry Lynn, and Hulk Hogan came up to me and said "Hey man, we want to give you a few thousand dollars to main event one of our PPVs against this guy you're known for having show-stealing matches with. And then you're free to go back and do your ROH thing," I'd probably say yes.
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I dunno. If I were Jerry Lynn, and Hulk Hogan came up to me and said "Hey man, we want to give you a few thousand dollars to main event one of our PPVs against this guy you're known for having show-stealing matches with. And then you're free to go back and do your ROH thing," I'd probably say yes.
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They are, Lethal, Abyss, Kazarian, Aj, Wolfe, Joe
Can they please build down Abyss and give his spot to the Motor City Machine Guns?
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The Motor City Machine Guns have been given quite a bit of air-time lately. They are currently involved in a feud against Beer Money over the TNA World Tag Team Titles (which Sabin & Shelley are holding for the first times in their careers).
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Source: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter

Initial plans for TNA Hard Justice called for the event to be headlined by a TNA vs. "ECW" bout. Officials have since decided to make the event an "all-ECW" show similar to WWE's One Night Stand in 2005.

Wrestlers from the original ECW are being contacted and major TNA stars such as AJ Styles, Samoa Joe and Ric Flair are not currently not scheduled to appear on the show.

TNA Hard Justice is largely being put together by Tommy Dreamer, who has been contacting numerous former ECW talents alongside Terry Taylor.

The current planned name for the ECW faction in TNA is 'The Riot Makers'. Of course, that can always change.
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The ECW alumni really need to let go. I feel like it's a bunch of washed up high school football stars who still put on the letterman jacket and wish they were 16 again. Feel like a dick saying it because I think they're great, but it's getting uncomfortable.
The whole "getting the band back together" thing is becoming sad.
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– It has been confirmed that the main event of next month’s Hard Justice will feature TNA World Heavyweight Champion Rob Van Dam vs. Jerry Lynn. It is unknown at this time whether the title will be on the line.
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What does the ECW PPV even do for TNA?

Why is TNA even doing this? I know for a fact that Heyman would never want this, and I wouldn't be surprised if this were to push Heyman away.

TNA needs to build up their own fucking brand. I've been saying this for years, and they just don't do it. It's all about the past. It's all about other promotions. It's all about trying to beat WWE.
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They won't have Tajiri or Super Crazy, for the record. Two of the better performers available won't be on the show.
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From PWInsider:

The 8/8 TNA Hard Justice PPV became an ECW-themed PPV at last Monday's Impact taping. I was told the company had one direction planned for their angle involving former ECW talents and Dreamer pitched a newer idea and they went with that instead. TNA President Dixie Carter has signed off on Dreamer running the show and it will basically be a one-off ECW show. A lot of people have been pretty impressed with how much trust Dreamer has already been given by management. Dreamer has been contacting talent regarding their availability with Terry Taylor handling the financial end of things.

The PPV will apparently end up with a new title as well. TNA sent a new commercial to their PPV partners several days ago dubbing the 8/8 PPV "Hardcore Justice: One Last Stand." While I have not seen the spot, I am told that the commercial features a brief "ECW" chant. The company will have to be very careful about how they use the ECW letters in regard to the PPV.

Paul Heyman has nothing to do with this angle, so far. My belief is that Heyman wouldn't have gone with this direction, because what does it do to grow the TNA letters and identity, which has been one of his primary criticisms of the company. I am told that the angle is not a sign that negotiations have ended and the two sides are still talking. I am also told this reunion is NOT the big surprise Dixie Carter has been talking about in regard to changes within the company, either. This basically came together very fast over several days last week as a new independent idea for the PPV.

Talent we have confirmed that have been contacted to work and are expected to appear are Jerry Lynn, Sandman, Sabu, Spike Dudley, The FBI, Axl Rotten, Balls Mahoney and Swinger. That said, until contracts are signed, no one is 100% set in stone. Those who were booked were asked to keep their involvement quiet. The hope is to have TNA champion Rob Van Dam vs. Jerry Lynn headlining the PPV, but that is not signed and sealed yet. I am told there are multiple plans for the top matches on the show based on what talents will be available. The plan is to announce two or three matches ahead of time and leave the rest of the card as a surprise, since the original company rarely advertised matches for their events.

There's been an interesting response from former ECW talents. Some were said to have gotten choked up and excited for the show based on a promo cut by Tommy Dreamer that will air on Thursday's Impact. Others have taken a "we've been down this road before" tact and see it as just another show. Outside talents who were contacted were said to have responded in one of two ways. Some were said to be extremely thankful for the chance and excited at seeing the old locker room again. Others were trying to pull a money grab and get as much as they could for the appearance. One story making the rounds in Nashville that got a lot of laughs was a talent who has been off television forever playing hardball and refusing to come in unless he was granted a multi-year contract by TNA.

A source close to Shane Douglas has intimated that Douglas was contacted for the event, but has not agreed to terms. I heard a few days ago that Douglas was pitching the idea of wrestling Ric Flair on the show, but I don't see that as happening. That issue has been long since gone and the two did a program in WCW previously. Plus, I don't see that as working on what is supposed to be an "ECW" themed show.

Yoshihiro Tajiri and Super Crazy are booked for Japanese dates on 8/8, so they are absolutely not available for the PPV. Tajiri is working for New Japan that week while Crazy is booked for All Japan Pro Wrestling on a tour that ends on 8/8. I don't expect we'll see Masato Tanaka either as it's likely too close to the show to get a working visa for him to appear.

Talents who had independent bookings that weekend will be flown in on Sunday morning of the PPV while others will be doing a Saturday meet and greet with fans the night before the PPV at the NASCAR restaurant at Universal Citiwalk.

The company is taking a similar stance to the show that WWE did with the first ECW PPV in that they are trying to book everyone they can to help give it an authentic feel, from the wrestlers to the managers to even referees. I would hope someone will reach out to ECW Founder Tod Gordon, as it was criminal he wasn't asked to become involved in the first WWE ECW PPV and was never mentioned beyond a thank you from Paul Heyman. There's talk of paying homage to ECW talents who won't be at the PPV on the show itself as well.

Reports of a Sandman & Dreamer & New Jack vs. Rhino & Richards & Raven tag are without merit.

While this PPV is the only plans to do something with an "ECW" theme, I am told that there could be additional appearances for some of the talents coming out of it, with them being integrated into TNA storylines. However, nothing is 100% set in stone.

For fans who have asked about attending the PPV, as I have noted previously, the only way to 100% guarantee entry to the PPV is to buy a weekend VIP Package from www.shoptna.com, which also includes a ton of other events and freebies. Between TNA's VIP line, the line of Universal Studios theme park attendees and a general public line outside the park, TNA routinely turns away 100-200 fans from their PPV tapings. Given the amount of interest this PPV has garnered from out of town fans, I expect that number of fans to increase, so if you are dying to go, go for the VIP ticket.
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So lemme get this straight...they're going to hold a PPV, that instead of takes advantage of the ECW name by showcasing their own talent alongside the ECW alumni (and possibly pulling in more viewers due to association/the 'shit, this is kinda cool factor), just produce three hours of a PPV, half with guys who probably won't be there three months from now.

Why wouldn't you have RVD drop the title due to ECW (Jerry Lynn) interference, have them go at it, and do a short invasion properly, with the title on the line against ECW?

Whatever...TNA has a lot of potential, but its silly moves like this that won't let them get off the ground.
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No, I thought that was their second time there. I don't know you may be right.
You're probably thinking about those Hardcore Homecoming shows. Shane Douglas ran those.
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