Nelson v Carwin @ UFC 125?

[MoFo]

Didnt think this was threadworthy, so put it in here with UFC 125 and all -

UFC fighter Clay Guida took to the airwaves on Sunday night on ESPN 1100 radio in Chicago to announce his fight. He’ll take on Japanese superstar Takanori Gomi in a lightweight showdown at UFC 125 on New Year’s Day in Las Vegas. “It’s time for ‘The Dude’ to get back into camp and get ready to take down Takanori Gomi, one of my favorite fighters growing up and watching MMA,” he revealed on ESPN 1100’s MMA Tonight. “I look up to him and I’m gonna look up to picking him up off of the ground after I ground and pound him into the canvas.” Guida (27-11) finished 2009 and a two-fight skid, but rebounded this year with back-to-back victories over Shannon Gugerty and Rafael dos Anjos. Part of that turnaround has to do with shifting much of his fight preparation to Greg Jackson’s camp in Albuquerque, N.M., and the Grudge Training Center in Denver. He’s confident he can start 2011 on a high note with the fight against Gomi. “I’m gonna beat him to the punch. I’m gonna take him down and implement my game plan,” said Guida. A former champion in both Pride and Shooto in Japan, Gomi (32-6) received a rude welcome to the Octagon in the form of Kenny Florian at a UFC Fight Night event in March. He returned to form, however, in August, knocking out Tyson Griffin at UFC on Versus 2. This bout between Guida and Gomi puts either on the fast track towards title contention. It won’t immediately line either up for the winner of Frankie Edgar and Gray Maynard, who are battling for Edgar’s lightweight belt in the UFC 125 main event, but would likely put the victor one or two more quality wins away from title contention.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Originally Posted by Reavant Lesnar absorbed pain to get where he was, but once there, he did not. Getting punched in your arms isnt going to really drain you as we saw with him standing up at the end of the round. Heres why you need to shut the fuck up. You clearly dont know how the body works. Fighting can be both an aerobic and anaerobic activity. Now aerobic means keeping your body around a peak heart rate and taking in sufficient oxygen while anaerobic means going way past that and not taking in sufficient oxygen. Now your body can fuction for a very long time aerobically if your in great condition, but you still cant go crazy. I mean look at gsp, hughes, velasquez and all the other guys known for great cardio, they still dont go ape shit like carwin did. Now when you train for a fight, you generally will do conditioning drills that look like what carwin was doing to lesnar. The idea of the drill is to push yourself so hard that you have nothing left. Usually you do this for 30 second to minute bursts with about thirty seconds to a minute rest in between. Carwin went at it like that for close to 3 minutes without stopping. Then, only got about a minute to recover between rounds. Now if you stay in an anaerobic state for too long, your body starts producing lactic acid everywhere because its not getting the oxygen it needs. Basically your body thinks its dying and this can cause your limbs to feel like jelly or very heavy and even cause painful cramping. This is to get you to stop using your muscles so that the oxygen that is being taken in, goes to your organs. To be able to recover you will need time at least equal to your time of exertion. Carwin did not have that. Making him a sitting duck in the next round to a relatively fresh lesnar. OK? So go play somewhere else little boy, the men here are having a discussion.

That's pretty much all correct, aside from your body "thinking" it's dying. Your body goes into metabolic acidosis (i.e. your blood pH becomes acidic) because of the amount of lactic acid and CO2 from anaerobic respiration, so to prevent tissue damage due to the build-up of acidic metabolites, your muscles send pain signals and give the feeling of fatigue so that you reduce the workload and your lungs can deliver more oxygen and remove the CO2 building up.

Essentially the more you train, the more efficient your heart becomes at delivering oxygenated blood to your tissues and this is what improves your ability to supply your muscles with energy. However, the more trained your muscles become, the more energy they need and elite athletes can have an issue where their muscles become so powerful that, when used at maximal exertion for an extended period of time, it's just not possible for their heart to supply the necessary oxygen. The whole point of endurance training and stuff like HIIT is to push up the ability of your heart to pump blood and so increase the amount of oxygen you can consume which each breath.

I think Carwin punched himself out. He was going all out, trying to finish the fight, but he wasn't picking his punches and wasn't doing much damage at all after the initial flurry (where I think the fight would have been stopped in other cases). Given the occasion he was probably massively hyped up too, which is where the adrenaline comes in, increasing energy consumption by his muscles beyond what his heart could deliver O2 to meet. I can't watch the fight back but there's a chance he may have held his breath too when he was trying to finish the fight, even a guy at his level may have stopped his breathing when in that situation. It's almost instinctive to hold your breath when fighting.

You can't really say he hasn't got a gas tank until he goes the distance in a fight. A guy like Roy Nelson, I would ignore punching him in the head for a while and just work his fat body. Savage body punches are almost worse than a head punch. Give him some awful punches to the ribs and kidneys. Sometimes I don't think they mix it up enough in UFC with the stand up, with those smaller gloves you could break a guy's rib with a well aimed uppercut under the tits.

[Lui Kang]

Originally Posted by El Capitano Gatisto That's pretty much all correct, aside from your body "thinking" it's dying. Your body goes into metabolic acidosis (i.e. your blood pH becomes acidic) because of the amount of lactic acid and CO2 from anaerobic respiration, so to prevent tissue damage due to the build-up of acidic metabolites, your muscles send pain signals and give the feeling of fatigue so that you reduce the workload and your lungs can deliver more oxygen and remove the CO2 building up.

Wrong.

What you are referring to is lactic acidosis not metabolic acidosis. Other than that though, you gave a good analysis. Just make sure to check your facts a little more closely next time.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Lactic acidosis is a form of metabolic acidosis i.e. distinct from respiratory acidosis.

[Funky Fly]

You think that was a Wikipedia fail just now?

[Nark Order]

Lui Kang, so far you've been arguing against actual MMA fighters and physicians. Good job.

[Lui Kang]

Originally Posted by Narcissus Lui Kang, so far you've been arguing against actual MMA fighters and physicians. Good job.

My ultimate goal on here is to not try and "win" arguments. All I try and do is bring out the best in others by forcing them to raise their standards. If it means getting in their face, then so be it. The ends justifies the means. My guess is that this thread has been one of the more informative threads out of this entire section of the forums.

I was very impressed with the responses of both Reavant and El Capitano Gatisto.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I am sure their goal was to impress you.

[Krimzon7]

Originally Posted by Lui Kang My ultimate goal on here is to not try and "win" arguments. All I try and do is bring out the best in others by forcing them to raise their standards. If it means getting in their face, then so be it. The ends justifies the means. My guess is that this thread has been one of the more informative threads out of this entire section of the forums. I was very impressed with the responses of both Reavant and El Capitano Gatisto.

So, you're like some form of anti hero Post Police?

[Reavant]

Originally Posted by El Capitano Gatisto You can't really say he hasn't got a gas tank until he goes the distance in a fight. A guy like Roy Nelson, I would ignore punching him in the head for a while and just work his fat body. Savage body punches are almost worse than a head punch. Give him some awful punches to the ribs and kidneys. Sometimes I don't think they mix it up enough in UFC with the stand up, with those smaller gloves you could break a guy's rib with a well aimed uppercut under the tits.

I dunno his gut is SO BIG that it might give him ample enough padding to keep his organs same. dos santos pounded his belly too and didnt kill him.

[Lui Kang]

Originally Posted by Funky Fly You think that was a Wikipedia fail just now?

Was that a not-so-subtle shot at me? Just for the record, I do not believe in sourcing Wikipedia with the intention of 'showing up' another poster or proving some kind of point. Almost every fact and opinion that I express on here is purely off the top of my head....except for the one exception I'll make here.

I hope you're not the type of guy that does sort of stuff....although I wouldn't be surprised if you were. According to Freudian psychology, pyschological projection is a psychological defense mechanism where a person unconsciously denies their own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, such as to the weather, or to other people. Thus, it involves imagining or projecting that others have those feelings

Oh by the way - source = Wikipedia. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection).

[Lui Kang]

Originally Posted by Gorgeous Dale Newstead I am sure their goal was to impress you.

Reavant's goal was to try and show me up since I called him out...and he succeeded. But - in his zeal to do that, he actually produced a high quality and informative post...which served the greater good of TPWW.net. This is now the last that I will speak on this subject since I do not want to derail this thread.

[MoFo]

What.

[Reavant]

hes the posting equivalent to a martyr

[Krimzon7]

Originally Posted by Lui Kang Reavant's goal was to try and show me up since I called him out...and he succeeded. But - in his zeal to do that, he actually produced a high quality and informative post...which served the greater good of TPWW.net. This is now the last that I will speak on this subject since I do not want to derail this thread.

wait, what? I feel like I'm in an episode of criminal minds now. This is a sophisticated troll attempt, or something much weirder.

[Funky Fly]

Originally Posted by Lui Kang Was that a not-so-subtle shot at me? Just for the record, I do not believe in sourcing Wikipedia with the intention of 'showing up' another poster or proving some kind of point. Almost every fact and opinion that I express on here is purely off the top of my head....except for the one exception I'll make here. I hope you're not the type of guy that does sort of stuff....although I wouldn't be surprised if you were. According to Freudian psychology, pyschological projection is a psychological defense mechanism where a person unconsciously denies their own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, such as to the weather, or to other people. Thus, it involves imagining or projecting that others have those feelings Oh by the way - source = Wikipedia. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection).

Nah, guy. It's just that the internet is full of wannabe experts who run to wikipedia at the first sign of being caught in the middle of a bullshit rant. We have had plenty of those types here over the years and many often fail to understand the very material they are quoting. If you're trying to have a legit discussion, then more power to you. If you're trolling, I gotta step in.

I got nothing against you, really, but you gotta learn not to be so in your face about your opinions or you're just gonna piss everybody off then I have to go and ban you and blah blah blah. Been through this far too often in the last little while. Just chill out and enjoy the place.

And as for my mental state, just ask around here. I'm sorta, kinda sane.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Originally Posted by Reavant I dunno his gut is SO BIG that it might give him ample enough padding to keep his organs same. dos santos pounded his belly too and didnt kill him.

I mean hitting him a bit higher up. His gut is massive so he probably wouldn't even feel a punch there, especially since he probably has quite strong muscle underneath as a trained fighter, but absolutely no one likes getting hit in and just under the ribs and on the kidney area. Even just under the armpit. Those punches can finish a fight quicker than head punches, especially with a guy like Nelson who seems to have a Homer Simpson-like ability to take hits to the brain.

[RP]

I just adrenaline dumped in Dale Newsteads, moms, mouth.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol

[MoFo]

Carwin's pulled out with a back injury ffs.